Knee-gate in Chicago

[Patler]

I think Cutler's injury has been officially classified as an "owie", maybe a "boo-boo". They should just ask Mike Martz to kiss it and make it better.

[Lurker64]

now espn and the bears are saying its a "sprained mcl"

Well, counterintuitively: a complete MCL tear you can play on, just slap a brace on it for lateral stability since you're going to need surgery at some point anyway. A partial MCL tear, on the other hand, shouldn't be played on since it will heal on its own without surgery and playing on it risks making the injury worse to the point that it will require surgery (generally good policy to avoid unnecessary surgery.)

[Patler]

Well, counterintuitively: a complete MCL tear you can play on, just slap a brace on it for lateral stability since you're going to need surgery at some point anyway. A partial MCL tear, on the other hand, shouldn't be played on since it will heal on its own without surgery and playing on it risks making the injury worse to the point that it will require surgery (generally good policy to avoid unnecessary surgery.)

I think complete MCL tears heal without surgery too, don't they?

[green_bowl_packer]

let the chicago feeding frenzy commence

The feeding frenzy has been going on all day long, there will be nothing left of him by the time they are through - one theory is the Bears let the story get out of control by not stating his injury status out of the gate. Now it's completely out of control down here, not that I'm complaining.

This victory will pay dividends for years to come, just as a straight W it was historic and crushing to Chicago this extra stuff going on could put them under for a while and tear apart their locker room.

[Joemailman]

Well, counterintuitively: a complete MCL tear you can play on, just slap a brace on it for lateral stability since you're going to need surgery at some point anyway. A partial MCL tear, on the other hand, shouldn't be played on since it will heal on its own without surgery and playing on it risks making the injury worse to the point that it will require surgery (generally good policy to avoid unnecessary surgery.)

Unless you're playing in your franchise's biggest game in the last 25 years.

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official word is that its a grade II mcl sprain/tear

it won't require surgery, and its something that usually takes 3-4 weeks to heal

sounds pretty legit to me

[mraynrand]

sounds pretty legit to me

Too legit to quit!

[Patler]

I hate to use the "F" word, but was this worse than the ankle that Favre played on last year? Or the broken foot Brady has played on and for which he had surgery this past week?

I don't expect anyone to have answers, just raising questions to think about.

[Little Whiskey]

chumura said today on the Homer show that he doubts cutler will be able to play in Chicago again. sounds like some of his teamates are questioning his toughness.

[bobblehead]

Phillip Rivers tore his acl like a week or two before he played on it. Once the swelling is down the ACL provides stability to the knee, without it, your knee is like a table with only three legs, very unstabble. Pain, varies, your mobility sucks, strength sucks, and if it is not braced correctly the knee will give out, and more damage to the knee, MCL will probably go next.

Anyways if Cutler tore cartlidge, a tendon, another legiment, shit is going to swell and the leg will get stiff and trying to plant will be tough. I am sure Cutler is injured, it didn't look good because he wasn't carried off on a cart and wasn't on crutches. Chicago fans are stupid, and are looking to place blame.

our perspective might be a bit screwed because of the iron man streak of Favre, and the toughness of Aaron Rodgers.

And the hatred all things bears

[bobblehead]

Bottom line: Cutler was standing and walking around on the sidelines, and he was able to "ride the bike" for a bit showing he could still put pressure on it, even if it DID hurt. I do not buy that it was the trainers decisions to bench him, becuase he came out in that first series int he second half and it was HE that said he couldn't play, despite the fact that planting his foot didn't even appear to be a realistic problem. He also doesn't throw properly most the time anyways relying on arm strength, so it would of hardly been a realistic deterent. bottom line was he was getting ROCKED all game and was sick and tired of it. He didn't want to get blasted anymore, regardless of injury.

Say he has a torn MCL, or a Torn ACL - yet he is able to still walk around on the sidelines. If your able to walk on the sideliens with the injury, you're able to play. Bottom line. It is a major question of his toughness as a QB, because this is the NFC championship game. This is to get to the Super Bowl. You may NEVER get back to this point ever again the rest of your career. You give it everything you have, and if that means playing hurt, you play hurt.

This is why I really appreciated "Favre the player", because hurt or not he always put it all out on the field. Cutler already has attitude problems and is questioned greatly as a leader. THe team then responded to that Haine guy with renewed confidence. One has to wonder if Cutler, in addition to being a poor leader, was just not willing to take the pain and give it his all. With his attitude towards everything, it doesn't suprise me that he wouldn't.

Ok, I KNOW i'm getting flamed for this, but Cutler looked just like Favre when he was getting rocked in the NE game and the Dallas game, both of which ARod got hurt in, but finished the game. Early in his career, it took a tank to get favre off the field, but later, not so much. Those were two examples of Favre quitting on his team that helped usher him out of town. Both times, beyond injury, Favre was not having much fun and was frustrated.

[mmmdk]

PACKERS NFC CHAMPIONS 2010....eat that Bears thread !

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chumura said today on the Homer show that he doubts cutler will be able to play in Chicago again. sounds like some of his teamates are questioning his toughness.

i don't think it would be a problem with just his teammates but the whole damn city and all 15 of the fans left that didn't jump back off the bandwagon at about 5 pm yesterday

if i was cutler i would be saying fuck you to chicago

[Packers4Glory]

I think the most legitimate criticisms were those that questioned why the starting QB, still in uniform and on the sideline walking and standing normally, sat like a bored spectator on the bench. Why wasn't he near the coaches, talking to the backups, encouraging his team mates? He looked like he didn't care. Not much showing of leadership.

those also seem to be unfounded. You saw what Fox showed, however listening to chicago radio today, one of their guys was at the game and he reported Cutler was talking to Hanie and helping him out. Hanie himself came on the radio and tv stating some of the help Cutler provided. I think we saw what the producers wanted us to see, there was a lot of time where Cutler wasn't front and center.

I really feel that his stand-offish personality screwed him. I think he got fucked by the media and the twatters jumping to conclusions based off his body language and what Fox showed you.

I don't like the guy at all but I think he's been done quite an injustice.

Grade 2 tear is the MRI report. Lovie needs some help in the PR department because he is the one who said strain which was wrong. The Bears botched this 6 ways to sunday and helped create the PR nightmare.

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yeah i can't stand cutler either but he really is getting a raw deal here

almost makes me feel bad for him. i might even piss on him after the bears fans light him on fire to put him out