Jarrett Bush

[Cheesehead Craig]

When Bush made his INT I yelled "We love Bush". This prompted my buddy to laugh and my 10 yr old son starting singing "We love Bush" which made my buddy nearly spit the beer he was drinking out of his nose. I love it when kids don't know the full meaning of what they are saying.

[PA Pack Fan]

Bush is clearly a special teams ace and is nearly unblockable as a gunner but he has legitimate value on defense as well.
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Seriously? The Packers have a special teams ace? lol.


Note to 31: a special teams ace does not just down the ball inside the 10 on 35 yard punts, but will also know how to contain and tackle the returner when the kick or punt is returnable.

[3irty1]

Seriously? The Packers have a special teams ace? lol.


Note to 31: a special teams ace does not just down the ball inside the 10 on 35 yard punts, but will also know how to contain and tackle the returner when the kick or punt is returnable.

He's certainly a special teams ace, only one we've really had since Tracy White although you could start making an argument for Hall and Martin. Obviously you're not serious when you say that he can't tackle the returner which makes me wonder what you are talking about. If there's one knock on Bush its the dumb penalties we've seen from him such as stepping out of bounds before touching the ball and stuff.

[BobDobbs]

Seriously? The Packers have a special teams ace? lol.


Note to 31: a special teams ace does not just down the ball inside the 10 on 35 yard punts, but will also know how to contain and tackle the returner when the kick or punt is returnable.

They may or may not. But Packer Rats definitely has a troll....

[wootah]

Man...sometimes no matter what you do it's just never good enough for some people. Sad......

This. It has come to a point where people just stop looking at the actual plays, but just wait to see if something bad happens for which they can blame Bush. I'm genuinly glad for the guy.

BTW, it can't be that I was the only one that had to laugh while reading that ultimate football post of JH.

[vince]

Do some of you really expect the 4th or 5th CB to be as solid in coverage as the guys he replaced? Bush had some very nice blitzes, an interception, and some effective coverages. He held up in spite of giving up a few plays, and probably did so better than most 4th, 5th or 6th corners would. If you expect more than that from him you are unreasonable.

With this team, it's not unreasonable to think that Thompson can find a CB that can cover better than Bush and push him down the depth chart another notch. He did it this year with an undrafted rookie. I think he can do it again. Given Thompson's acumen and Bush's coverage abilities, I'd say that's a perfectly reasonable expectation. The best case scenario IMO would be for Bush to be the 5th safety/6th CB and special teams gunner.

[vince]

If you throw at Jarrett Bush the worst thing that happens is an incomplete pass. Still, the ability to mirror a receiver is worth something.

Love your posts 3irty1, but I don't get this at all. Bush is a serious liability at CB. The Packers try their damndest to hide him inside these days, and actually pull it off to some extent, but that's scheme, not Bush. He made a great effort play on the ball in the SB, but that was a serious anomaly. He was beat and/or went the wrong way leaving a guy wide open in his zone on a number of ocassions in the SB. He flat out can't cover with any consistency. He's great as long as he doesn't have to play defense. Very few people are Charles Woodson, but when Jarrett Bush came into the game, the Steelers started moving the ball and made the game extremely exciting. If you go back and watch the plays they made, and who they made them on, you'll see that wasn't a coincidence.

[RashanGary]

We could do worse.

He's a special teams ace that is vital to that unit (big reason he has that C on his chest). He's not the worst option to come in when two guys ahead of him go down in a game - he has experience with this team and now two years in the system. Do you want him to be the nickle/2nd guy on a game by game basis? No, but we could do A LOT worse for a guy having to come in as an emergency guy. He definitely has "some ability" to play CB, even if overall it's just not good enough a tthe NFL level. It's still good enough fro spot duty, and we saw that last night.

If there was a true NFL dictionary where you could look up current players and read about what type of player they are, this is what it would say about Jarrett Bush.

I can't really add much to what you said, but 25 our of the 32 NFL teams would have a spot for him if we released him tomorrow. Great STer and better than a guy like Blackmon or even Underwood on defense.

[bobblehead]

That's right, he made a play. End of story. Our special teams suck as bad as ever so singing the praises of Bush on ST is a load. You can just be glad he only played a half yesterday.
Sheesh. Sounds like the Harris love thats still perpetuating. Notice we won a bowl...without him.

To quote you....its called sarcasm douchebag. If you actually read things other people write instead of coming here to flame and inflame you would have caught on to the joke.

[Bossman641]

I'm happy for Bush. He has really stepped up his play this year on ST. Do I get nervous when I see him enter the game as a DB? Hell yes, but overall he held up OK on Sunday. That pick of his was either great instincts or a complete screwup because he completely came off Heath Miller to make the play.

[bobblehead]

Love your posts 3irty1, but I don't get this at all. Bush is a serious liability at CB. The Packers try their damndest to hide him inside these days, and actually pull it off to some extent, but that's scheme, not Bush. He made a great effort play on the ball in the SB, but that was a serious anomaly. He was beat and/or went the wrong way leaving a guy wide open in his zone on a number of ocassions in the SB. He flat out can't cover with any consistency. He's great as long as he doesn't have to play defense. Very few people are Charles Woodson, but when Jarrett Bush came into the game, the Steelers started moving the ball and made the game extremely exciting. If you go back and watch the plays they made, and who they made them on, you'll see that wasn't a coincidence.

Yea, what vince said. I have come to like Jarret Bush on the team....as long as he is on ST and not in coverage. He did make ONE play finally on the biggest stage and god bless him for it.

As a matter of fact I thank him for making my point that not everything that a team does well is done by one of the 3-4 "playmakers" on the roster, but that when there is enough talent on the field damn near anyone and everyone starts to look better and make plays. In NFL football, the sum is greater than the parts when you have talent, and the sum is less than the parts when you do not.

[Patler]

With this team, it's not unreasonable to think that Thompson can find a CB that can cover better than Bush and push him down the depth chart another notch. He did it this year with an undrafted rookie. I think he can do it again. Given Thompson's acumen and Bush's coverage abilities, I'd say that's a perfectly reasonable expectation. The best case scenario IMO would be for Bush to be the 5th safety/6th CB and special teams gunner.

Finding corners isn't that easy. In six years, TT has found two good ones, Williams and Shields. It's not for a lack of trying (Blackmon, Lee, Underwood, Hawkins, Bell, Dendy, Walker, Porter, Ford, Gordy etc.) He has tried high draft picks, low draft picks, undrafted rookies and other teams' cast-offs.

Besides, under normal circumstances, I'm not sure that Bush isn't already the #5 or #6 corner on the team. The problem is that he will be active for every game because of STs, and one of the 4th or 5th corner might very well be inactive. When injuries hit during a game, the 6th corner ends up playing while the 4th or 5th corner stands on the sidelines in street clothes. If the Packers had a week of practice to prepare back ups to play in the top 3 corner positions, I suspect both Lee and Underwood may have gotten the nod ahead of Bush this year, if they were healthy.

[bobblehead]

You said he has tried high draft picks...no, he has tried high draft PICK...singular. also Lee has been active most games and Bush was still the dime which tells me Lee fucking blows.

[Patler]

You said he has tried high draft picks...no, he has tried high draft PICK...singular. also Lee has been active most games and Bush was still the dime which tells me Lee fucking blows.

No its "picks", because I was basically dividing the draft in two, high picks and low picks. There are 250- 260 drafted each year. Lee was #60; Blackmon was #115; making both "high draft picks" if you divide the draft in half.


The problem this year was that both Lee and Underwood have been injured at times. Lee was out due to injury a couple games in the second half of the season. He was also dinged up early. Underwood has been injured at times as well. Both missed practice time even when they dressed. I think Bush worked into the rotation not because he was necessarily better than both Lee and Underwood, but he was healthy and they knew he would be active. He got the practice time, they did not.

[3irty1]

Love your posts 3irty1, but I don't get this at all. Bush is a serious liability at CB. The Packers try their damndest to hide him inside these days, and actually pull it off to some extent, but that's scheme, not Bush. He made a great effort play on the ball in the SB, but that was a serious anomaly. He was beat and/or went the wrong way leaving a guy wide open in his zone on a number of ocassions in the SB. He flat out can't cover with any consistency. He's great as long as he doesn't have to play defense. Very few people are Charles Woodson, but when Jarrett Bush came into the game, the Steelers started moving the ball and made the game extremely exciting. If you go back and watch the plays they made, and who they made them on, you'll see that wasn't a coincidence.

When I said, "If you throw at Jarrett Bush the worst thing that happens is an incomplete pass. Still, the ability to mirror a receiver is worth something." I meant it from the point of view of an opposing QB. In other words, he'll never intercept or even locate the ball, so there really is no downside to going right after him time after time even if he's actually in position. The downgrade from Woodson to Bush is obviously insane but as far as dimebacks go I'm pleased with him. Remember that when he's in, he's covering the slot meaning he doesn't have any sideline to help him. This is a tough spot on a roster to fill! The Packers stay in the nickel so much because we have two corners who excel on the perimeter (Williams and Shields) and Woodson who is dominant in the slot. In order to use our dime package we need another corner to play in the slot. Bush has been that corner for us. He's half as good around the LOS as Wood, and 1/50th as good when the ball is in the air, but he can at least provide a green jersey that appears to be covering someone.

Personally I'm hoping that Pat Lee finally takes that last step forward and can provide us with another capable perimeter guy so that Tramon can move into the slot and give us that much more of a play-making presence near the LOS.