Super Bowk Anti-Climatic

[Joemailman]

I think to appreciate how much that game meant to Illinois Packer fans (like Shadow) you have to have lived there and been surrounded by Bear fans every day. For them, losing to the Bears would have been unbearable (no pun intended). Losing to the Steelers would be very disappointing, but not as bad.

[Freak Out]

I think to appreciate how much that game meant to Illinois Packer fans (like Shadow) you have to have lived there and been surrounded by Bear fans every day. For them, losing to the Bears would have been unbearable (no pun intended). Losing to the Steelers would be very disappointing, but not as bad.

True Joe....I know two Bear fans well but other than that I would just feel bad after getting real drunk.

[mraynrand]

I think to appreciate how much that game meant to Illinois Packer fans (like Shadow) you have to have lived there and been surrounded by Bear fans every day. For them, losing to the Bears would have been unbearable (no pun intended). Losing to the Steelers would be very disappointing, but not as bad.

It's not just living there - which can be intolerable - but it's the history of the rivalry. Packers and Bears are two connected, at times symbiotically related teams. Never before have they played in the NFL championship, which is basically what the NFCC is. Absolutely huge. A game against the Vikings in the NFCC game would have also been huge, especially if the Packers lost and sent the Vikings to a Superbowl where they actually won (I know, it's highly unlikely).

I'm pretty sure there have been only 4 other NFCC games that have featured teams from the same division (mostly Dallas-Washington) but those were back in the infanacy of the Cowboy organization. It's just not the same thing as the two most venerated teams facing off for the first time in such a big game. Epic!

[Gunakor]

So I think youre saying the win makes sure the bears still suck!

Kinda. Well, not really. The Bears suck forever regardless of this past game. This victory simply ensures that we are allowed, by right, to remind them of the fact that they suck forever in the harshest, cruelest way imaginable whenever we want for however long we wanna dish it out. The Bears fan I dish it out to, a guy who works here with me, he doesn't cry anymore... but you can tell it makes his skin crawl and I can't get enough of it. Bet the weekend couldn't come fast enough for him.

Ah well, there's always next week.

[The Shadow]

I think to appreciate how much that game meant to Illinois Packer fans (like Shadow) you have to have lived there and been surrounded by Bear fans every day. For them, losing to the Bears would have been unbearable (no pun intended). Losing to the Steelers would be very disappointing, but not as bad.

Quite right, sir.

[pbmax]

Well, my adopted team is playing my childhood/adolescent tormenting team in the Super Bowl.

So I am greedy and want both. But to tell the truth, beating the Steelers means more to me than the Bears in this scenario. Normally a division game versus an AFC foe would be a no-brainer. But denying the darlings of the Super Bowl era another triumph will give me great pleasure. Since despite Steelers fans' memories, the NFL didn't start counting Wins and Losses in 1972.

Stupid Art Rooney Jr. I loved the 1980s Steelers era. Taking the division of them was sweet, sweet revenge. But they never sank to the bottom like the Bills have. Just like Jason Vorhees, you knew those bastards were coming back.

Trust me. They are up to no good.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I personally don't get all this denying other teams crap. Its not about denying the Steelers from other championship, or the Bears from getting to the supebowl, or beating the Vikings. Its not about other teams, its about the PACKERS for me. I want to PACKERS to be successful and to win as many SUPERBOWLS as possible b/c thats all that matters in the end. All the posts I keep reading are thoughts that are so complacent and negative. Do you not realize that we need to win the SUPERBOWL for that win against the bears to mean anything? Why do you think the Bears want us to lose so bad b/c they know our season was no more successful than theirs at the end of the day unless we win. I keep hearing about other teams fans and bragging rights and all this crap, but I am a fan of the PACKERS. And as a fan of the PACKERS, the goal is to win the superbowl not these so called moral victories everyone keeps talking about.

The packers must win the SUPERBOWL for that Bears game to mean anything or there will always be that YEAH BUT........

God willing the packers will beat the Steelers and this season of bad luck and close loses will somehow turn into a story of success. Thats the only way this season is successful for me. And we can do it! Lets go!!!

[pbmax]

I personally don't get all this denying other teams crap. Its not about denying the Steelers from other championship, or the Bears from getting to the supebowl, or beating the Vikings. Its not about other teams, its about the PACKERS for me. I want to PACKERS to be successful and to win as many SUPERBOWLS as possible b/c thats all that matters in the end. All the posts I keep reading are thoughts that are so complacent and negative. Do you not realize that we need to win the SUPERBOWL for that win against the bears to mean anything? Why do you think the Bears want us to lose so bad b/c they know our season was no more successful than theirs at the end of the day unless we win. I keep hearing about other teams fans and bragging rights and all this crap, but I am a fan of the PACKERS. And as a fan of the PACKERS, the goal is to win the superbowl not these so called moral victories everyone keeps talking about.

The packers must win the SUPERBOWL for that Bears game to mean anything or there will always be that YEAH BUT........

God willing the packers will beat the Steelers and this season of bad luck and close loses will somehow turn into a story of success. Thats the only way this season is successful for me. And we can do it! Lets go!!!

Its a matter of a longer term perspective PFMD.

But I completely agree, its all just a footnote in history if the Packers don't win. And team photos aside, I hope the Packers are living that fact.

[bobblehead]

I personally don't get all this denying other teams crap. Its not about denying the Steelers from other championship, or the Bears from getting to the supebowl, or beating the Vikings. Its not about other teams, its about the PACKERS for me. I want to PACKERS to be successful and to win as many SUPERBOWLS as possible b/c thats all that matters in the end. All the posts I keep reading are thoughts that are so complacent and negative. Do you not realize that we need to win the SUPERBOWL for that win against the bears to mean anything? Why do you think the Bears want us to lose so bad b/c they know our season was no more successful than theirs at the end of the day unless we win. I keep hearing about other teams fans and bragging rights and all this crap, but I am a fan of the PACKERS. And as a fan of the PACKERS, the goal is to win the superbowl not these so called moral victories everyone keeps talking about.

The packers must win the SUPERBOWL for that Bears game to mean anything or there will always be that YEAH BUT........

God willing the packers will beat the Steelers and this season of bad luck and close loses will somehow turn into a story of success. Thats the only way this season is successful for me. And we can do it! Lets go!!!

Not sure your age, but I have seen the Packers win a Superbowl. I want to see another one. BUT...for the ultimate bragging rights I want to see the greatest organization in sports reclaim the total super bowls won title. If I throw out all other perspective, then its still a no brainer. I want to win the Superbowl because the bears game was last week. However, we all live a life based partly on memories. I want to go to my grave someday knowing that the packers have won more superbowls than any other franchise. Is it the most important thing in my life...far cry, but its the most important thing to me as a sports fan.

[bobblehead]

not likely, very possible, whatever. So now you are saying you aren't positive the Packers will have many more shots? But Marino and the Dolphins were different? Was it likely or just very possible in 1985?

My point is that Marino was and Rodgers/Packers could easily be in the same boat - things look good, and I think they ARE good, but even so, all sorts of things can keep you from winning a Superbowl.

Multiple Superbowls: possible, but not very likely. For Marino then and Packers now

I'm still missing your point. Are you saying that if we win this game that you will be content and not hope or expect to get back next year??

[mraynrand]

I'm still missing your point. Are you saying that if we win this game that you will be content and not hope or expect to get back next year??

Of course not. It's just not that likely. It's more likely the Packers will win three of the next six superbowls than say Cincinnati, but it's still probably in the 1:100 - 1:1,000 range (for Cincinnati say 1:1,000,000). The point about Marino and the Dolphins is that they looked to be going back again and again too - their chances were much better than most other teams. But they didn't because it's just not very likely, even if you're one of the best organizations out there. But it is possible, just based on NE and Pittsburgh over the past decade. I'll take the 1:100 over the 1:1,000,000 any day.

BTW, those odds are completely pulled out of a hat. If you look at the NFL, it actually is a reasonably frequent occurrence for teams to have runs of several years like Packers in the 60s, Cowboys and Pittsburgh in the 70s, Raiders, Washington and San Fran in the 80s, Cowboys, Packers, Broncos in the 90s, NE and Pitt in the aughts, so why NOT the Packers - just so long as they turn those NFCC games into championships - they were just 1-3 in the 90s. It is also interesting to see what the constants are in those playoff and championship runs...

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Not sure your age, but I have seen the Packers win a Superbowl. I want to see another one. BUT...for the ultimate bragging rights I want to see the greatest organization in sports reclaim the total super bowls won title. If I throw out all other perspective, then its still a no brainer. I want to win the Superbowl because the bears game was last week. However, we all live a life based partly on memories. I want to go to my grave someday knowing that the packers have won more superbowls than any other franchise. Is it the most important thing in my life...far cry, but its the most important thing to me as a sports fan.

Nice post.

[RashanGary]

Yeah bobble. I've been keeping track of that too. History speaking, this is a huge SB. We have the TT era here where we could win one or two more, but we have to get the 4th before we can get the 5th and 6th. Most SBs, Most championships, Oldest team (along with Bears and Cardinals). The Packers have a lot to be proud of.

[RashanGary]

The Packers, Bears (then Decantur Staley's) and Cardinals (then Chicago Cardinals) were all started in 1919 as private organizations. The NFL began in 1920. The Staleys and Cardinals were two of the original 6 teams. The Packers stayed private. In 1921 the Decantur Staleys changed their name to the Chicago Bears and the Green Bay Packers joined up with the NFL. The Packers and Bears are the two longest standing teams with the same city and the same name. They both started in 1919 with the Bears joining the NFL a year earlier than the Packers. The Packers have the most championships of any team in the NFL. The Steelers have the most SB's. This is the year we chip away at that. If the Packers end up getting to 6 SB's before the Steelers get their 7th, the Packers will stand alone as the most amazing team in the history of the NFL. I already think they are, but it would crush all debate.

[bobblehead]

Of course not. It's just not that likely. It's more likely the Packers will win three of the next six superbowls than say Cincinnati, but it's still probably in the 1:100 - 1:1,000 range (for Cincinnati say 1:1,000,000). The point about Marino and the Dolphins is that they looked to be going back again and again too - their chances were much better than most other teams. But they didn't because it's just not very likely, even if you're one of the best organizations out there. But it is possible, just based on NE and Pittsburgh over the past decade. I'll take the 1:100 over the 1:1,000,000 any day.

BTW, those odds are completely pulled out of a hat. If you look at the NFL, it actually is a reasonably frequent occurrence for teams to have runs of several years like Packers in the 60s, Cowboys and Pittsburgh in the 70s, Raiders, Washington and San Fran in the 80s, Cowboys, Packers, Broncos in the 90s, NE and Pitt in the aughts, so why NOT the Packers - just so long as they turn those NFCC games into championships - they were just 1-3 in the 90s. It is also interesting to see what the constants are in those playoff and championship runs...

Ok, we are basically saying the same thing in a different way. I agree with everything you said here. I said as much in the first post. I guess my main point was that in order to have a chance to do something even more special we have to win this one. It didn't end with the bears and as much as losing that one would hurt, winning this one will be more important. (some other rat said it that way, and I liked it). It may be the last chance I ever get to see my team in the big game, but I certainly hope not, and as you said, many teams have made runs, and more teams have appeared then disappeared. I realize that my hopes are more than a little high, but what I really wish to see is multiple SB wins...but it starts with one.