Leaguewide embarrassment

[swede]

YEither way, it was still BS and I hoped it gets addressed.

I'm sure it will. They will address an envelope containing a notice of Nick's fine for excessive celebration.

[ThunderDan]

not to mention swaim's catch.

I disagree. And agree all at the same time. I knew it was not going to be ruled not a catch because of the silly going to the ground rule. The same rule that took away Calvin Johnson's TD against the Bears. Swain clearly had 2 feet down and even a 3rd before the ball came out. But was in the process of "going to the ground".

[mraynrand]

I disagree. And agree all at the same time. I knew it was not going to be ruled not a catch because of the silly going to the ground rule. The same rule that took away Calvin Johnson's TD against the Bears. Swain clearly had 2 feet down and even a 3rd before the ball came out. But was in the process of "going to the ground".

But was he 'going to the ground' as part of the catch, or did he catch the ball, turn, and then was going to the ground as part of the tackle? And then fumbled while being tackled. I think the latter. I'm pretty sure if Pittsburgh had recovered and challenged, they would have received the ball. But that's just me being paranoid.

[channtheman]

But was he 'going to the ground' as part of the catch, or did he catch the ball, turn, and then was going to the ground as part of the tackle? And then fumbled while being tackled. I think the latter. I'm pretty sure if Pittsburgh had recovered and challenged, they would have received the ball. But that's just me being paranoid.

I disagree. The call was correct in the sense that the rule says it is not a catch. Very similar to the Atlanta catch in the second half that we challenged and was then ruled incomplete. Now whether the rule is good or not, is up to you. But it was the correct call.

[ThunderDan]

But was he 'going to the ground' as part of the catch, or did he catch the ball, turn, and then was going to the ground as part of the tackle? And then fumbled while being tackled. I think the latter. I'm pretty sure if Pittsburgh had recovered and challenged, they would have received the ball. But that's just me being paranoid.

No, I think the rule is pretty clear. Swain was going to the ground even though he had two feet down before he was touched. This was discussed in another thread that said if a guy catches a TD pass even if it is 4 steps later make sure you tackle him and hope the ball comes out.

I disagree with the rule.

[bobblehead]

I understand the need to control how escessive celebrations are over the course of a season. Players were taking it too far with sharpes and cell phones, and team wide celebrations waisting time.

However this is the super bowl, A Player just picked off the ball and returned it for 6. Is he not supposed to be excited? Is he, and the rest of the defense, supposed to contain themselves? He fell to both knees and opened his arms wide and looked up - and as the referee said it he got the penalty for going to the "ground" to celebrate.

I'm sorry: This is the super bowl - you do not penalize for that sort of celebration in the biggest games of their life. Sure if he "taunted" the opponent yes, penalize. But that was just a pure outburst of excitement. Let them have their fun - it's not every day a defender gets a pick six in the super bowl.

Yep, this. No taunt, no premeditated dance...no penalty in my book.

[pbmax]

This entire conversation about Swain is predicated on a false assumption: that the NFL actually understands and agrees on what exactly constitutes a catch.

Trust me and the below .500 Mike Pereira; they don't have a clue.

[Freak Out]

You can't get flagged for a religious gesture

Not to sure about that....I saw a flag thrown for a impromptu on field nativity scene from the Saints special teams once.....delay of game I believe.

[Fritz]

I think I also saw a Catholic confession scene in the end zone called once, too. Not sure how confession is "excessive celebration," though.

[red]

i have a feeling that if the swain call would have been ruled a catch and fumble on the field then it would not have been overturned if challenged

but it really is a complete freaking joke how no fan, no player, coaches or even the refs knows what is or isn't a catch these days

the collins penalty is just a joke. the super bowl is all about shit being over the top, the nfl has turned it into more of a show then an actual game, and they're somehow going to penalize a playing for showing some real joy?

everyone there in the stands, and all the people the nfl brought in for pregame and halftime were suppose to be showing how much fun they were having, and how happy they were. but not the players, heaven forbid they show any emotion

[Freak Out]

What in the fuck was going on at halftime? I was a little confused by it all......did they actually do some GnR or was it all crazy robot head dancers and shit?

[Lurker64]

You can't get flagged for a religious gesture

Does it have to be a mainstream (say Judeo-Christian) religious gesture? Since I knew some Wiccans in college who threw some really wild parties.

[Freak Out]

Ugh.

[Freak Out]

Does JSO block the posting of pictures from their site?

[Joemailman]

Does JSO block the posting of pictures from their site?

Seems so. I have to save JSO images to my computer, upload them to my Photobucket account, and then link from there.