Aaron Rodgers, the most complete Packer QB ever?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre wasn't like Big Ben. He had escapability and a nimbleness about him, but he wasn't a tank. Give Favre a slight edge on arm strength, give Rodgers a slight edge on accuracy and mobility. Both had rare physical ability.

[Pugger]

I think it was unfair criticism. After all, he broke his foot against NE one year in the third quarter (if I remember correctly) and finished the game on a broken foot. When people were wondering if he was injury-prone, Christl's response was "wait until he's a full-time starter;" the idea being that when his body was used to getting hit several times a day, it would hold up better than when it was getting hit only for only one game in a football year.

As an interesting stat of comparison, in a GB uniform, there were only 6 games that Favre couldn't complete due to injury. In half of them, his backup QB suffered a season-ending injury and finished the year on IR. I don't think that's because they were all injury-prone. More because a backup QB's body isn't used to the grind of getting hit all the time.

I suspect Favre might not have had his streak intact had because I'd wager he had a concussion or two while he played in GB but the league didn't treat those concussions with caution like they do today.

[swede]

Favre wasn't like Big Ben. He had escapability and a nimbleness about him, but he wasn't a tank. Give Favre a slight edge on arm strength, give Rodgers a slight edge on accuracy and mobility. Both had rare physical ability.

NFL Network did a series of programs on different Super Bowl winners and I got a fresh peek at how the young Favre used to play. In '92 and '93 Favre ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and made some really stupid picks.

As Holmgren got him under control there were fewer picks, and his scrambles were frequently spin-aways from contact followed by stretching laterally as he looked for a receiver, so I think you are right Harv. Favre did bust his weight up to about 260 for a few years, and maybe Harrell is remembering how big he was then.

[pbmax]

NFL Network did a series of programs on different Super Bowl winners and I got a fresh peek at how the young Favre used to play. In '92 and '93 Favre ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and made some really stupid picks.

As Holmgren got him under control there were fewer picks, and his scrambles were frequently spin-aways from contact followed by stretching laterally as he looked for a receiver, so I think you are right Harv. Favre did bust his weight up to about 260 for a few years, and maybe Harrell is remembering how big he was then.

Didn't he come in close to 230-240 and Winters thought he was a linebacker? I do remember he gained weight again later and didn't like playing with it.

But Favre was never as big as BR. Favre was always willing (early in career) to take a blast while throwing, and he could move enough to make a sacker get a glancing shot at him rather than a takedown. What I remember (and Kevin Greene would support me) is that after slipping the big hit but still in the grasp, he would attempt to complete a pass. Often successfully.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think he has the physical ability quite that Favre had. Favre had a slightly stronger arm and Favre was a tank to take down in his prime (very much like Big Ben). He's close though and his head is much, much better. I'm hoping he can be a multi champion and go down as the greatest Packer QB of all time (even if he doesn't hold the regular season longevity records).

Rodgers also puts in the hours.

[vince]

Both Favre and Roethlisberger like to fling their dick around and have little regard for women, so they have that in common anyway.

At least Favre asks for permission though.

[mmmdk]

Both Favre and Roethlisberger like to fling their dick around and have little regard for women, so they have that in common anyway.

At least Favre asks for permission though.

Ok...explain?

[RashanGary]

I watched a highlight of Favre last year. I remember noting now hard he was to tackle. Very similar game to Big Ben. LB's would bounce off him and DL would miss arm tackles on him. I still think he was a tank.

[mission]

I don't think Favre had/has a stronger arm than Aaron does now. Seems like an urban legend to me. Don't know how AR could make some of those throws with any more velocity than he does.

The other part of the "streak" is that Favre was scared to take a hit. He'd always throw it away/up for grabs before getting rocked, especially later in his career. Maybe not a bad idea, but it contributed to most of his INTs. Rodgers is too smart for that.

IMO, the Favre vs Rodgers conversation is moot. Favre hasn't done what Rodgers has in a SB/playoffs...

Starr <> Rodgers >>>>>>>> Favre

[channtheman]

I don't think Favre had/has a stronger arm than Aaron does now. Seems like an urban legend to me. Don't know how AR could make some of those throws with any more velocity than he does.

The other part of the "streak" is that Favre was scared to take a hit. He'd always throw it away/up for grabs before getting rocked, especially later in his career. Maybe not a bad idea, but it contributed to most of his INTs. Rodgers is too smart for that.

IMO, the Favre vs Rodgers conversation is moot. Favre hasn't done what Rodgers has in a SB/playoffs...

Starr <> Rodgers >>>>>>>> Favre

Yup. Rodgers not having a Super Bowl win was the only thing holding him back. I don't know if he'll ever surpass Starr. Even if Rodgers wins 3 more Super Bowls I think we might just look at those 2 on the same level.

[mission]

Yeah man I tend to agree. I really have no interest in ever arguing if Rodgers is/was better than #15. For starters, I never got to watch Starr live and second, it just really doesn't matter. If the guy wins multiple rings and does it with class then we'll just say they were the greatest of their respective eras and generations.

All the Favre crew had was AR can't win a big game and then it was AR can't win in the playoffs and then it was Super Bowl. In fact a shitload of rats have spewed that this season, last and even the year before. Won't see them bringing it back up that they doubted his ability to win the big game. Can't tell you how sick of that I was. A bunch of Colin Cowherds acting like they knew it all along now.

5-1 in the playoffs.
1 SB ring
1 SB MVP against the best D in the league (so many say but I'd vote different)

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I honestly believe the Rodgers is the best PLAYER in the league after watching him this season. I love this guy. I loved Brett and growing up he was always my favortie player and probably will be my all time favortie palyer. But Rodgers is up there I think with the best in history with the way he has played these last three years. I couldn't bring myself to write anything positive until the postseason was over b/c I knew that winning the superbowl is what makes good players great. Rodgers is offically a GREAT player. I hope he continues playing great and we repeat next season! Him and Matthews are my favortie packers right now with Jennings right behind them. My facebook pic is clay and arod with the championship belt and the torphy! I remember the pack during the day and STILL can't believe we won it. Amazing!!!!!!!

Next important thing we need to happen is to get this CBA stuff worked out b/c this team is very capable of repeating!

[swede]

Yeah man I tend to agree. I really have no interest in ever arguing if Rodgers is/was better than #15. For starters, I never got to watch Starr live and second, it just really doesn't matter. If the guy wins multiple rings and does it with class then we'll just say they were the greatest of their respective eras and generations.

All the Favre crew had was AR can't win a big game and then it was AR can't win in the playoffs and then it was Super Bowl. In fact a shitload of rats have spewed that this season, last and even the year before. Won't see them bringing it back up that they doubted his ability to win the big game. Can't tell you how sick of that I was. A bunch of Colin Cowherds acting like they knew it all along now.

5-1 in the playoffs.
1 SB ring
1 SB MVP against the best D in the league (so many say but I'd vote different)

Golly I hate that unctuous, oily, self-impressed loathsome jerk. I rarely can listen for more than a few minutes before I have to tune out, but I did hear him list all of the best young QB's--including AR--and then say that Ben Roethlisburger was the guy you would want to build a young winning team around.

Do you suppose he will rethink, recant, or backpedal?

If I had Skinbasket's way with words I would say very bad mean things about Colin Cowherd.

[The Shadow]

Ok, for me, it breaks down this way :
1. Starr : 2-0 in Super Bowls + all the championships before the actual invention of the 'Super Bowl'.
Talk all you wish about the talent of his supporting cast, which varied over the years - but he simply got it done, many times over - never an easy task, ever.
2. Rodgers : 1-0 Super Bowl record. A plus : Rodgers accomplished his Super Bowl season with a team by no means head & shoulders talent-wise above the competition - and in spite of a ridiculous number of injuries. And the handicap of winning game after game on the road is relevant.
3. Favre : Super Bowl record - 1-1. In my opinion, Favre's single championship came only when Ron Wolf had assembled a team around him clearly, talent-wise, superior in the NFL. He also failed to win the next year with the same basic talent against a decided underdog.
In addition, he also had (at least in my opinion) the NFL's most talented team around him last year in Minnesota, and did not bring home the trophy.
If Rodgers stays healthy, I will perhaps have to really start comparing him to Bart.

[pbmax]

Golly I hate that unctuous, oily, self-impressed loathsome jerk. I rarely can listen for more than a few minutes before I have to tune out, but I did hear him list all of the best young QB's--including AR--and then say that Ben Roethlisburger was the guy you would want to build a young winning team around.

Do you suppose he will rethink, recant, or backpedal?

If I had Skinbasket's way with words I would say very bad mean things about Colin Cowherd.

I could not agree with this more. Three weeks ago, he was taking Matt Ryan over Rodgers.