CBA

[HowardRoark]

This team is a lot of fun to watch. Sure, we won he Super Bowl and all, but halfway through the game Sunday I realized that there would not be any Packer games to watch for awhile.

I have not followed the whole CBA issue at all; does anybody out there have a good handle on the issues?

[SkinBasket]

Issues:

1) Money.
2) Money.
3) Money.
4) expanding season to 18 games to generate more money.
5) rookie salary cap to free up more money for vets.
6) Money.
7) NFL brings in about 9 billion a year. Owners get the first billion before the players get paid their 6 billion. Owners want a guaranteed 2 billion before the players get paid, which would come from the player pool of 6 billion, reducing it to 5 billion. It wasn't explained to me where that other 2 billion goes. Maybe the CBO does the accounting for the NFL.

[vince]

Good summary.

[Guiness]

I tend to agree with Howard that we're likely not to see football for a while. Too many egos involved. We seem to have gone through the rotation since the last NFL strike...MLB, NHL and NBA have all had their strikes and/or lockouts.

Interesting view of how the money gets split up Skin. Where did you get that from.

[HowardRoark]

It wasn't explained to me where that other 2 billion goes. Maybe the CBO does the accounting for the NFL.

Maybe high speed trains or something.

[SkinBasket]

Interesting view of how the money gets split up Skin. Where did you get that from.

I think I heard it from Shepard Smith on FoxNews. I was probably drunk though, so someone should probably verify that I wasn't asleep and just dreaming that part.

here's another explanation:

The problem is the owners don’t like the current setup. Under the current CBA, 60 percent of the revenue goes to players salaries. The owners feel that’s too much. That’s why they opted out of the deal in 2008. The owners want a new deal in which the players take less – 18 percent less, to be exact. The players say no way.

The reason the owners don't like the setup is that while overall profits have been up, profit margins have been shrinking steadily since the last CBA, based mostly on the data from the Packers, as the rest of the owners are keeping their numbers private.

Also from the same article:

The owners and the players union have not begun serious negotiations and with so much ground to cover and so much at stake, there is no way they will be able to work out a new deal in less than a month. So March 3 will come and go without a new CBA.

That’s when the rhetoric will heat up and the reality will set in. The players will lose their medical insurance, which is no small matter. Ex-Eagle Brian Dawkins, now the player rep in Denver, said that securing comparable medical coverage for his family will cost $2,400 a month.

Too bad most guys blow 100x times that much on bling and cars. Good thing they'll have Obamacare when they trip over their massive gold chains and that 1 million dollar diamond stud gets lodged in their brain.

[Patler]

Issues:

1) Money.
2) Money.
3) Money.
4) expanding season to 18 games to generate more money.
5) rookie salary cap to free up more money for vets.
6) Money.
7) NFL brings in about 9 billion a year. Owners get the first billion before the players get paid their 6 billion. Owners want a guaranteed 2 billion before the players get paid, which would come from the player pool of 6 billion, reducing it to 5 billion. It wasn't explained to me where that other 2 billion goes. Maybe the CBO does the accounting for the NFL.

Skin; I think you are missing the point. It's really about money.

[swede]

Skin; I think you are missing the point. It's really about money.

I'd root for them to squeeze the goose that lays the golden eggs without killing it, but I realize now that I'm the goose.

[Fritz]

I'd root for them to squeeze the goose that lays the golden eggs without killing it, but I realize now that I'm the goose.

Lovin', touchin', squeezin'

[pbmax]

Issues:

1) Money.
2) Money.
3) Money.
4) expanding season to 18 games to generate more money.
5) rookie salary cap to free up more money for vets.
6) Money.
7) NFL brings in about 9 billion a year. Owners get the first billion before the players get paid their 6 billion. Owners want a guaranteed 2 billion before the players get paid, which would come from the player pool of 6 billion, reducing it to 5 billion. It wasn't explained to me where that other 2 billion goes. Maybe the CBO does the accounting for the NFL.

Goes to teams and like the first billion, part of it covers non-player costs, expenses and debt.

Florio said the one clear positive from the past weekend meeting was that the joint statement issued agreed on a March 4th deadline. In negotiating terms, if there is not an agreed deadline, then the true bargaining and real offers will not be made. I fear he may be reading too much into that statement. The League can survive well past that point and the players would need a lockout or a declaration of an impasse (and owner's last best offer being imposed as business rules) to engage in decertification.

[pbmax]

And be careful of the cap percentage (59.2%) being rounded to 60 and used as the percentage of player costs. As Skin's numbers show, the league and NFLPA agreed to subtract 1 billion from total revenue before calculating the cap. The actual number compared to total revenue is around 52%.

But even that number is fuzzy, as some teams (including the Packers) spend more cash than cap space in a given year. Several teams do not. I am unsure of the revenue percentage when considering cash expenditures only.

[Iron Mike]

I think the CBA folded a few years ago.....

[Joemailman]

Stories like this make me worry if a settlement can be reached anytime soon.

http://nfl-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cb...75988/27503438

There's also, apparently, a little vitriol between the groups. That's not shocking. But Jay Feely's mention -- on the Michael Kay Show via Pro Football Talk -- of the way Panthers owner Jerry Richardson reportedly spoke to NFL icons Peyton Manning and Drew Brees during a Dallas negotiating session is terrifying for anyone who thinks a peaceful ending to labor talks is coming soon.

"Jerry Richardson, the lead negotiator for the owners, he's going to criticize Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and their intelligence in our meeting Saturday?" Feely said. "And sit there and say dismissively of Manning 'Do I need to help you read a revenue chart, son? Do I need to help break that down for you because I don't know if you understand how to read that?'"

How come the owner of the worst team in the league gets to lead the owner negotiations?

[SkinBasket]

There's a good chance that neither of those two really do understand a revenue chart. Why is it that suddenly Manning and Breese are any more qualified to be representing the players in financial/employment negotiations than Richardson is to represent the owners? This is akin to having a couple of guys who wash cars at the corner auto lot coming into the HQ of a major car manufacturer and telling them how to do business. Of course the owners are going to get annoyed. They're dealing with people who in all likelihood do not understand even a fraction of the business side of the NFL, but still think they are some of the most important people in the world who are used to getting whatever they want whenever they want.

[Patler]

Perhaps Manning or Brees said something that prompted Richardson to say what he said. You can be a very smart person, but you may not understand fundamental things about something you have little training or experience in.

We've seen how some of these players manage their finances, and go broke just a few years after their playing days are done. Look at the example of Mark Brunell, who filed for bankruptcy earlier this year. He has made over $50 million in just the last 10 years, but is $24 million in debt. I wonder how well he read revenue charts for his businesses?