Super Bowl win opens flood gates....

[ThunderDan]

This is crap, Hasselbeck lost in his chance at the superbowl and lost plenty to Favre's Packers and Brunell hasn't accomplished shit either. This Packer team wouldn't have won without Rodgers and that team wouldn't have won without Favre. If QB means nothing lets get what we can for Rodgers now, his value will never be higher, were good enough we can win with Flynn or some other guy.

Brunell took a 2nd year expansion team to the AFC championship game in 1996. I wouldn't call that nothing. It was Brunell's 2nd full year as a starter.

Brunell's career QB rating 84.0 184TDs-108Int 1.7 TD per Int
Favre's career QB rating 86.0 508TDs-336Int 1.5 TD per Int

If Brunell had as many starts who knows? And a defense like the 96 Packers who knows?

[sharpe1027]

People ripped on him before the Super Bowl. People ripped on him after the Super Bowl. The biggest difference is that many of his supporters have gone silent. He as much as said that he wanted the Packers to lose, and his actions speak volumes. I don't see why I can't bash him the same way I rip on Cutler. He's provided more than enough material for people to use against him. What exactly is the problem here? The guy is a Viking and yet Packer fans can't make fun of him? Whatever.

[Freak Out]

Fuck Favre. When he made it a point to tell Peppers to beat the Packers on camera he reached the summit of mount douche a final time. He can rot on his tractor until he comes begging.

[Patler]

And he used much of the money he made to help people. Only Reggie knows but I don't think it's fair to imply he was "greedy" if that is what you are implying.

I was imply nothing, just reiterating a fact that has been reported many, many times, that Favre, God and money all agreed on the location. But it doesn't really matter what his motives for the money are, does it? In the context of our discussion today, if he wanted the most money possible to give away every penny of it, it still makes money the driving factor, not Brett Favre.

[channtheman]

I was imply nothing, just reiterating a fact that has been reported many, many times, that Favre, God and money all agreed on the location. But it doesn't really matter what his motives for the money are, does it? In the context of our discussion today, if he wanted the most money possible to give away every penny of it, it still makes money the driving factor, not Brett Favre.

That's true. I didn't really articulate my thoughts as well as I wanted to. Money obviously was a deciding factor, but I don't think it was the entire reason. I think money, Favre, and God all had an impact on why Reggie came here. Of course, as I said before, none of us will ever know exactly. I do think Favre played some role in him coming to Green Bay though.

[SkinBasket]

Christ it is right here in this column, i'm sure you can find plenty more!

Actually, it's a blog that offers an unsubstantiated 3rd hand account of how Nolan felt about Rodgers. And no, I haven't been able to find any more. You would think for how widely held you claim this opinion was, I would be able to... but nope.

I think the fact he came from Tedford's system had a lot more to do with falling to 24 than his alleged cockiness.

[pbmax]

A Pro Bowl QB dropped from a possible 1st pick to number 24. That means 23 teams must explain to everyone, including their wives, how they can continue to be employed while being that stupid (from the questioner's perspective). If Rodgers were blonde, that would be blamed. If he was 6' 6" that would be too tall and thin. If he had an arm that looked like Ferrigno's, he would be called muscle bound. And if he spoke with an accent, he would be called too foreign to be understood in the huddle or in a road stadium. And the person who might know best (McCarthy) has a vested interest in keeping both the QB and Nolan on his good side. No one will ever be completely honest until they are all out of football. At which point, concussions will have rendered their memories untrustworthy.

Here Rodgers arm strength was reported as questionable at the time of the 2005 draft: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Here, Rodgers recounts McCarthy thought he was less athletic than Smith and the general fear of another Tedford QB: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Cockiness and Salesmanship (not a direct quote-still looking) (also why Favre found Rodgers more useful in his second year): http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Indirect quote, Rodgers admits to cockiness and salesmanship, but not about draft, he said it was during his first season: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

by the way, in the story directly above, Dorsey says he saw Rodgers have the best rookie camp he was ever seen. But when written about in the previous link, it is made to sound like he struggled right out of the gate.

Jaworski says it was the film that did not reveal many pro style throws from Rodgers in Tedford's system: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Well, at least as far as Google Advanced Search and JSOnline are concerned, I can't find the draft interview/cockiness stories. But I definitely recall Rodgers saying he was told to project confidence in those interviews and that a couple of teams were put off. However, given the presence above of a story were he carried that over to the practice field in 2005, I might have conflated the two.

[LEWCWA]

here is another from si that refers to Rodgers attitude

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1111018/index.htm

[Packman_26]

I guess winning the Super Bowl has opened the floor for anyone and everyone to take pot shots at Favre. It really does amaze me that we as fans have so little class. Brett showed alot of himself (no pun intended) the last few years as being pretty self absorbed, but if that suprises you, you are pretty naive (spelling). I would suggest that most if not all professional athletes are self centered jerks. They have been tutored and coached on saying the right things in front of people, but to get to the big time they are almost all wired to do whats good for them.

Make no mistake, Aaron Rodgers is as cocky and self centered as the rest. I would suggest being very careful about crowning this guy, like most did with Favre. When you put people up on that pedastal the only place they really have to go is down. At some point they will be knocked off, and we will all be wondering how we didn't see it coming.

I really don't understand, why anti Favre folks can't just move on. It is like a disease. You just can't help yourselves from the I told ya so. Then the Brett jock lickers can't let shit go when he was doing well. Why can't we just appreciate the fact that Brett came along at a great time and helped lead this team out of the dark, and like so many others couldn't figure out how to end it with class, and at the same time count our lucky stars that we have been blessed with what looks like another franchise caliber QB. We are lucky to have both players. When it is all said and done the GB Packers may well have 3 of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. What Rodgers does, doesn't diminish what Favre did, it only adds to the Packer history. Brett is one of the greatest Packers ever and will be immortalized in Lambeau and that is a great thing. Hopefully Aaron will put his name up their as well, if he already hasn't.

I for one will not bash Brett to prop up Aaron and I will not bash Aaron to prop up Brett. They are both great players and I feel lucky to have had them both to watch. I can be a fan of both, can you?

You're right, Rodgers performance doesn't diminish what Favre did during his time as a Packer, Favre did that all on his own. You're amazed fans have so little class? What about holding a franchise hostage? What about holding a grudge for years in an attempt to get back at the team you made your name with? What about helping a division rival during a season when you have your own team to worry about? How classy is that?

You seem to be trying to make the point that none of that changes what he did on the field, and you're right. But it can change your opinion of someone and it certainly changed mine. I'm not willing to look past all that and I don't think I lack any class if I want to rub his nose in it now. He desperately wanted to do that for years.

But just because Favre is a jerk doesn't mean than everyone else is. It's easy to say that athletes are jerks. Heck, I agree that most might not be great people. But "Make no mistake, Aaron Rodgers is as cocky and self centered as the rest" is irresponsible to say. You are sure he is cocky and self centered? That sounds like bashing to me.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Brett Favre 'the NFL QB's' resume as a player.

"... he might be the most overrated player in the history of the NFL." JH

Ahh !? Hardly. Sometime, go over his records, JH.

You make such sense in alot of your comments and I agree with you on Harlan's legacy and hiring TT and giving the GM the control he has of our team. It does make sense in Green Bay for that aproach.

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

You had to know that somebody would be bitter enough about Favre's destroyed legacy to start this thread.

[Iron Mike]

The Vikings will probably be better next year than they were this year.

Then again, there's nowhere else for them to go but up, now, is there?? Heh heh.....

[pbmax]

That SI article by King is interesting. In that article from May 2005, King has Nolan admitting that Rodgers played in a more Pro Style offense (less shotgun) and had the better arm. He credits Smith with higher intelligence (graduated with an economics degree in two years) and an easygoing leadership style, where Rodgers came across as the Big Man on Campus.

Given the proximity to the draft, I find this reporting persuasive. But it contradicts almost every other draft rumor. Proof perhaps, that teams will say anything to avoid looking like they don't know what they are doing.

[LEWCWA]

That SI article by King is interesting. In that article from May 2005, King has Nolan admitting that Rodgers played in a more Pro Style offense (less shotgun) and had the better arm. He credits Smith with higher intelligence (graduated with an economics degree in two years) and an easygoing leadership style, where Rodgers came across as the Big Man on Campus.

Given the proximity to the draft, I find this reporting persuasive. But it contradicts almost every other draft rumor. Proof perhaps, that teams will say anything to avoid looking like they don't know what they are doing.

Obviously, being cocky wasn't the only reason he fell and not the biggest. I was just saying it was out there. Not even a big deal to me. Like I said before, he comes accross as cocky to this day and thats a good thing.

[LEWCWA]

You're right, Rodgers performance doesn't diminish what Favre did during his time as a Packer, Favre did that all on his own. You're amazed fans have so little class? What about holding a franchise hostage? What about holding a grudge for years in an attempt to get back at the team you made your name with? What about helping a division rival during a season when you have your own team to worry about? How classy is that?

You seem to be trying to make the point that none of that changes what he did on the field, and you're right. But it can change your opinion of someone and it certainly changed mine. I'm not willing to look past all that and I don't think I lack any class if I want to rub his nose in it now. He desperately wanted to do that for years.

But just because Favre is a jerk doesn't mean than everyone else is. It's easy to say that athletes are jerks. Heck, I agree that most might not be great people. But "Make no mistake, Aaron Rodgers is as cocky and self centered as the rest" is irresponsible to say. You are sure he is cocky and self centered? That sounds like bashing to me.

You are probably right. AR is the new sheriff in town. I just hope he doesn't rip your hearts out in the end like Favre has. It would be a shame to have almost 3 decades of hall of fame play at the QB position ruined for many fans, because of human flaw.