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  • 2010 Combine Thread

    The combine kicks off Thursday:
    Expect Newton to cement his draft status


    Peter Schrager is a frequent contributor to NFL and college football coverage on FOXSports.com. Feel free to e-mail him at peterschrager@gmail.com.

    Though it's written off by some as nothing more than a meat market, the NFL Scouting Combine, which kicks off Thursday afternoon in Indianapolis, very much serves a purpose.

    The one opportunity for the top 329 draft prospects to work out for all 32 NFL teams under one roof, the Combine provides a level playing field and the chance for a young man to improve his draft stock. The difference between being a first-round pick and a third-day selection is several million dollars. In Indianapolis this week, any of the 329 kids on hand can go and earn that money.

    Has the Combine really helped anyone that much, though, you ask?

    Umm, yes.

    After an eye-popping workout at the Combine, defensive end Mike Mamula went from a late first- or second-round pick to the seventh overall selection in the 1995 NFL draft. And, yes, as any Eagles fan will tell you, the pick traded to acquire Mamula that year ended up being some guy named Warren Sapp.

    All-decade cornerback Champ Bailey boosted his stock tremendously in 1999 with a sub-4.3-second timing in the 40-yard-dash. In 2006, Vernon Davis dominated the tight end drills and blew scouts away in Indy, catapulting himself from a late first- to early second-round selection to the sixth overall pick; to this day, that's the highest a tight end has been drafted.

    Darrius Heyward-Bey, Troy Williamson, Eric Weddle, Joe Flacco — the list of players who improved their draft “stocks” in Indy and subsequently “earned that money” two months later is deep.

    On the flip side, there’s a dubious list of players who did just the opposite during the biggest audition of their lives.

    In 2005, Maurice Clarett had one of the more unforgettable (or forgettable, if you ask the scouts) workouts in recent memory, running the 40 in 4.7 seconds. Davone Bess, considered a possible first- or second-round pick coming out of June Jones’ high-powered offense at Hawaii, went undrafted in 2008 after a subpar Combine performance.

    In short, this week marks the most important job interview of 329 different kids’ lives. Some of it will take place while they’re in their underwear, too. Nothing weird about that, right?

    And America, undoubtedly, will be watching. As Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported this week, 5.2 million American homes watched the Combine on the NFL Network last year. Those TV ratings are better than any numbers Major League Baseball got on ESPN during any given regular-season week of the 2010 baseball season, despite ESPN being in 43 million more homes than the NFL Network. As for the NFL Network, it is sending 23 on-air announcers to Indianapolis this week, about 20 more than what’s probably necessary.

    So, who should you be watching this week? Which players have the most on the line? Which drills are the most important? Here’s a viewers guide to this week’s 2011 NFL Scouting Combine:

    FIVE BIGGEST STORYLINES
    1. Cameron Newton: No one has been as high on Newton as an NFL prospect as I, but that bandwagon will begin to really fill up after this week. At 6-feet-6, 250 pounds, Newton is built like a linebacker, has the running skills of a tailback and is blessed with a cannon for a throwing arm. His throwing motion is already far superior to the ones of Tim Tebow and Vince Young — the players to whom he’s compared most frequently — and he’s about as difficult to bring down as Ben Roethlisberger. His throwing accuracy, his ability to run a pro-style offense and his comfort in reading exotic defenses will be under the microscope this week. But so will his overall character, his suspect past and his off-the-field decision making. Newton, the 2010 Heisman Trophy winner and the quarterback of the BCS national champion Auburn Tigers, enters the NFL under a cloud of controversy surrounding his father’s reported “pay for play” dealings during Cam’s recruitment process and a shady departure from the University of Florida involving the selling of a stolen laptop. Though various TV analysts did nothing but gush over him and avoid these topics altogether as he made the media rounds at the Super Bowl in Dallas, the personnel men of all 32 teams won’t be as kind. It’s going to be an exhausting week for Newton, and there will be no kid gloves behind those closed doors. But if he comes out unscathed and showcases his absurd physical talents in only a few drills, Newton undoubtedly will leave Indianapolis as a surefire top-10 pick in April’s draft. As for those comparisons to JaMarcus Russell that so many NFL writers and fans have so casually thrown around the past six to eight weeks? I've said it once, and I'll say it again: They’re lazy and borderline racist. The only things Russell and Newton have in common are that they're both 6-6 and African-American. They're completely different players, and they're completely different young men.
    2. Fairley vs. Bowers vs. Dareus: After Nick Fairley's dominant BCS Championship Game vs. Oregon in January, everyone rushed to crown him as the top overall pick in the 2011 draft. He certainly could be, but I still like Clemson’s Da'Quan Bowers and Alabama's Marcell Dareus to both go before the big fella out of Auburn. The top three defensive linemen in the draft — each with his own strengths and flaws — will look to establish themselves this week as the alpha dogs of this year’s loaded D-line class. Bowers is a beast of a defensive end, a pass-rushing specialist who led the nation in sacks with 15.5. The knock on Bowers is his consistency. Watching the film, he has a tendency to take some plays off. He also beefed up those sack totals against some of the Atlantic Coast Conference's inferior teams. The natural talents are all there, and he'll fare well at the combine, but his biggest questions might be in the interviews with team personnel. Fairley, meanwhile, has been foolishly compared to Ndamukong Suh for the past three months. Trust me, Fairley's no Suh. His legs aren’t built like Suh’s, he won’t be able to rush the quarterback like Suh and he doesn’t have nearly the same technique as 2010’s NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. But that’s hardly knocking Fairley; Suh’s one of the best in the game. Fairley’s still a darn good defensive tackle and has perhaps the most potential of the three prospects. Dareus, though, is the most intriguing of the three players. Capable of playing both defensive tackle in a 4-3 or end in a 3-4, Dareus followed up a fantastic 2009 campaign with a strong 2010, despite battling a series of nagging injuries throughout. He’s stout against the run and is a menace as a pass rusher. Fairley has the most buzz, and Bowers has the most raw talent. Is Dareus the best future pro? We’ll have to wait and see.

    3. The missing: Perhaps more than any year in recent memory, the 2011 Combine is littered with prospects who were forced to sit out the 2010 season because of NCAA violations or team dismissals. Among those players scouts will be seeing “in action” for the first time since the 2009 season: Robert Quinn, a 6-6, 270-pound defensive end with a motor that doesn’t stop and a top-10 pre-combine buzz; Weslye Saunders, a gifted 6-5 tight end out of South Carolina who could go anywhere from the second to sixth round; and Marvin Austin, an enigmatic 6-3, 310-pound defensive tackle with all the natural talent in the world but with question marks around his passion and smarts for the game.

    4. Sorting out the offensive tackles: Though there’s certainly no Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace in this year’s crop of offensive tackles, there’s five to six prospects worthy of first-round selections. Want to sort them out? Good luck. Talk with one scout, and he’ll point you to Nate Solder, a 6-8 converted tight end who’s reportedly capable of running a 4.8 in the 40. Talk with another, and he’ll point you to Anthony Castonzo, a 53-game starter out of Boston College who once upon a time protected Matt Ryan up at Chestnut Hill. Then there’s the tackle with the biggest potential, USC’s Tyron Smith and the kid with the most versatility, Mississippi State’s Derek Sherrod. Somewhere in the first 32 picks, you can slate Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi, too. With a solid combine, TCU's Marcus Cannon could slip into the top 32, as well. There’s no consensus on which one of these guys is the top tackle in the draft. There should be at least some clarity after the combine. Last year, this was the week Trent Williams separated himself from Russell Okung, Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga.

    5. Will the real Jake Locker please stand up?: When Mel Kiper Jr. announced during Super Bowl week that the Washington gunslinger was “off his big board” during Super Bowl week, it made national news. Naturally, I shrugged my shoulders and kept Locker right where I had him in my mock draft: 10th overall to the Redskins. Though he had an inconsistent senior season and a wobbly performance in Mobile, Ala., a few weeks ago at the Senior Bowl, Locker’s still the quarterback most ready to start now in this entire draft. He’s also arguably the most polished. Gifted physically and as positive a leader as you’ll find from a kid with a losing record in college, Locker’s biggest flaw is his inaccuracy. NFL coaches can teach and work on that. They’re paid to do so. Coming out of Steve Sarkisian’s pro-style offense, Locker has the ability to make reads, is built like a truck and has the right locker-room persona. With the league starving for young quarterbacks who are ready to contribute fight from the start, I’ll keep Locker in my top 10. A strong showing this week in Indy will only help his cause.
    Thanks Ted!

  • #2
    I know Ashley and I can't fucking wait for the combine. Me and her will both do two or three mock drafts and compare one anothers, then the day before the draft ( thurs) we do a two round one and we see who gets the most right. Always a good time!

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    • #3
      Does anyone really think Cam Newton will succeed at the NFL level???

      Character issues have him looking more like Ryan Leaf than Joe Montana.
      wist

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wist43 View Post
        Does anyone really think Cam Newton will succeed at the NFL level???

        Character issues have him looking more like Ryan Leaf than Joe Montana.
        I have a hard time imagining Newton failing. Physically he's just too elite. Even if you take away his cannon arm, he has the size and athleticism of an elite tight end.
        70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
          I have a hard time imagining Newton failing. Physically he's just too elite. Even if you take away his cannon arm, he has the size and athleticism of an elite tight end.
          wasn't Reggie Bush supposed to be a game changer? a cant miss prospect? granted he is still playing, but not at the level i expected for all the hype around him.

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          • #6
            Wait... So the combine starts tomorrow??

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mission View Post
              Wait... So the combine starts tomorrow??
              This is what happens when your team never gets bounced out of the playoffs: the offseason is shorter and begins sooner!
              No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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              • #8
                Mike Mamula was not simply a workout warrior. Any reporter who continues to repeat this idiotic meme should be banned like asbestos. And this one is dishonest. First he claims the difference between a good combine and a bad one will be the difference between a first day pick and a 3rd day pick and several million dollars. He then cites Mamula, who he claims went from a high second to a top ten pick. Unless I am mistaken, that is not first versus third day in any draft broadcast schedule.

                He was a very productive player at BC. He had 12 sacks as a junior and 17 as a senior (playing both OLB and DE), and was All Big East at a time when the Big East could actually claim to play Division I football. 31.5 sacks in 5 years in the NFL is nothing to sneeze at, especially when the defense was good. And one of those years Mamula started only six games due to injuries and battled a different slate of injuries the season prior to that.

                Was he worth a three pick trade up? No. But the Eagles would not have taken Warren Sapp as they didn't want an interior DLineman. And he was better than Derrick Alexander, who would have been another consideration.

                You want a workout warrior? Look at Vernon Gholston.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #9
                  A pretty decent article that extensively quotes Dorsey on what the Packers look for at the combine:

                  No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mission View Post
                    Wait... So the combine starts tomorrow??
                    Last years (2010) combine begins tomorrow. This year's combine (2011) will occur sometime in 2012.



                    Originally posted by packrulz View Post
                    2010 Combine Thread
                    The combine kicks off Thursday:
                    Damn, I can be a smart ass.

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                    • #11
                      It's time for the fun! Which player will fall into Ted's lap, or which semi-unknown will he take at a position of not-need this year?
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                        Does anyone really think Cam Newton will succeed at the NFL level???

                        Character issues have him looking more like Ryan Leaf than Joe Montana.
                        Yes. Past issues are not a factor. Too good not pick at #1 overall. IMO not another Jamarcus Russell.

                        LOL Locker is NFL ready. Obviously does not watch game tape. Inaccurate with poor mechanics. Marvelous athlete.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Little Whiskey View Post
                          wasn't Reggie Bush supposed to be a game changer? a cant miss prospect? granted he is still playing, but not at the level i expected for all the hype around him.
                          IMO Bush has lived up to expectations. Injuries are the issue. Sure would be nice in Green Bay as a return man and 3rd down back.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                            It's time for the fun! Which player will fall into Ted's lap, or which semi-unknown will he take at a position of not-need this year?
                            And remember, we don't have the last pick in the first round, we have the first pick of the second round.

                            We traded our first round pick for one of these:


                            Best trade ever.
                            </delurk>

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                              Mike Mamula was not simply a workout warrior. [snip]
                              You're right, and I don't understand why he is always pointed to as proof of falling in love with numbers. He had a reasonably successful NFL career, lasting 5 years before injuries, and lack of desire to play culminated in his retirement. I think it's that second reason that upsets the Eagles fans - he openly said he didn't have any love for football, and didn't want to play anymore. Hard to swallow that.

                              btw I think he was projected as a 3rd rounder, not a day 3 pick.

                              Hawk did a video I saw posted on nfl.com that talked about the combine, and that he views it/approached it as a game. He was right to do that, the drills done at the combine are things you can practice and get better at. Mamula, I think, was one of the first to openly admit that he trained specifically to improve his combine numbers, as opposed to just showing up and doing the drills.

                              Although I think it was more natural abilities than the results of workouts, another guy who vaulted his draft status after the combine was Heyward-Bey, who probably went a round higher than he would have when the Raiders took him.

                              An interesting guy who is reputed to be ready to wow then at the combine this year is Nate Solder. Apparently the guy is going to run a 4.8 40 at 315lbs! That looks pretty good...in shorts.
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