Will the Packers find it harder to re-sign their own?

[Guiness]

Any chance of the NFL equivalent of the 'sign and trade' deal with CJ? Worked out with C.Williams, even if the pick resulted in Brohm...

[get louder at lambeau]

I agree, Jenkins is probably gone but I have a hard time comparing him to C. Williams, CJ was a much more productive player for several more years.

They were almost twins when Williams got traded, same number of years in the NFL, one late pick (Wiliams) and one undrafted, both able to play DE and DT, and both having very similar stats (Williams 17 sacks total, Jenkins 15). Since then Jenkins has outperformed Williams, but who doesn't underachieve in Cleveland and Detroit? Their career numbers are still very similar, with Jenkins having 5.5 more sacks and Williams having 3 more turnovers caused and 43 more tackles.

[VermontPackFan]

They were almost twins when Williams got traded, same number of years in the NFL, one late pick (Wiliams) and one undrafted, both able to play DE and DT, and both having very similar stats (Williams 17 sacks total, Jenkins 15). Since then Jenkins has outperformed Williams, but who doesn't underachieve in Cleveland and Detroit? Their career numbers are still very similar, with Jenkins having 5.5 more sacks and Williams having 3 more turnovers caused and 43 more tackles.

Wow, stats are stats but I never would have guessed they were even close. I still will say that Jenkins is a much better player than Williams. Why? Apparently I dont have the stats to back me up so I guess I am going on gut instinct...

[HarveyWallbangers]

They were almost twins when Williams got traded, same number of years in the NFL, one late pick (Wiliams) and one undrafted, both able to play DE and DT, and both having very similar stats (Williams 17 sacks total, Jenkins 15). Since then Jenkins has outperformed Williams, but who doesn't underachieve in Cleveland and Detroit? Their career numbers are still very similar, with Jenkins having 5.5 more sacks and Williams having 3 more turnovers caused and 43 more tackles.

Plus, Jenkins was a late bloomer, so it seems like he's older (and more injury prone) than Williams was when he left. I liked Williams. Just not for the money he was about to get. I think Jenkins is a better player, but he's older and hurt a lot. I don't think he's worth the money he's about to get--especially if Neal and Jolly come back strong.

[Guiness]

Damn good production based on where we got them! Certainly better than the 3rd we spent on another DT, Lee from Oregon.

I remember when Jenkins first got here - Kris Jenkins younger brother, and there were stories (from Kris) about how Cullen was a better all around athlete, would always beat him at 1on1 basketball.

[prime311]

Any chance of the NFL equivalent of the 'sign and trade' deal with CJ? Worked out with C.Williams, even if the pick resulted in Brohm...

They would've had to tag him and I don't think they wanted to risk having to pay him the tag number. Now its too late to tag so I don't see any incentive for him to sign with the Pack just to get traded.

[Guiness]

They would've had to tag him and I don't think they wanted to risk having to pay him the tag number. Now its too late to tag so I don't see any incentive for him to sign with the Pack just to get traded.

I didn't know it was too late to tag, but I think your reason for them not doing it is right...they are afraid of getting stuck with the cheque.

[RashanGary]

The year Hawk just had, his reliability over the years. . . I think we just found out it won't be much harder to sign at least some of our guys. What they're saying Hawk got, I think we got a bit of a bargain there.

Mostl players dream of hitting UFA in their prime. Hawk didn't even test it.

[Packgator]

Mostl players dream of hitting UFA in their prime. Hawk didn't even test it.

Hawk was a FA for a few hours. His agent said "a bunch" of teams called right after he was released. I'm sure a deal was pretty much done before he was released but he got some sense of his value (to other teams) during the few hours he wasn't a Packer.

[Guiness]

According to the agent, he didn't answer the phone when it started ringing. It does sound like the deal was essentially done before he was released.

I, for one, am happy with our big free agent signing this year!

[rbaloha1]

Hawk is a throwback player -- plays hard and expects to be compensated fairly without the drama.

The Colledge and Crosby are good tenders. If someone want Colledge great -- second round compensation. Although Crosby is less accurate than Longwell the smooth kicking stroke should allow for a long successful career.

[swede]

Though he may not look it, I think that Hawk is a pretty smart person. Even if he thought the FA market would have brought him another 1 or 2 million per year he must have balanced that against the not unlikely possibility that he would have sacrificed individual and team success for the extra cash. The idea that Hawk is "just a guy" is the old conventional wisdom that does not take into account his statistical contributions, the hidden contributions of a defensive player that fills the right gaps, and the leadership he brought to our defense over the 2nd half of the season.

He may well have been "just a guy" had he gone to a team that wanted him to be a star all by himself.

Good call, AJ.