HAWK TO BE RESIGNED

[Tony Oday]

No way is Hawk worth a max deal... he's not worth $7M a year either - if that's what they're going to pay him, then I'm not on board with it. Hawk is JAG.

JAGs dont RUN the defense.

[Guiness]

I think we keep Barnett to be honest unless we have cap issues. He has earned his contract and you can't have too much talent. He is also a cheerleader for the city of GB from what I have seen. I think they all stay and play...chillar too for that matter. Besides, we have proven this year that depth is in fact important.

Ok, here's a question to put out there, and I have to admit I'm not at all sure.

One of Barnett's assets is his sideline to sideline speed, and he can cover a bit. Could he line up at OLB opposite Mathews? How would his skills translate?

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ok, it sounds like the deal has been signed, its worth between 30-35 million with 10 million guaranteed thats max value so it has to have some performance based incentives

Packers re-signed ILB AJ Hawk to a five-year contract.
Hawk, 27, is expected to receive in the vicinity of $30-35 million in max value, with over $10 million guaranteed. We can't say we're in the love with the deal, but by all accounts Hawk is a coaching staff favorite despite his on-field deficiencies. He's not a stout run defender as 3-4 inside linebackers are supposed to be. For his part, Hawk ranked 22nd in the NFL in tackles last season, and the only linebacker with more pass breakups than Hawk was Kansas City's Derrick Johnson. Hawk had three interceptions and a fumble recovery.
Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Mar 3, 12:49 PM

[mmmdk]

You need guys like Hawk on a winning team; SB WINNING TEAM.

[Smidgeon]

Ok, here's a question to put out there, and I have to admit I'm not at all sure.

One of Barnett's assets is his sideline to sideline speed, and he can cover a bit. Could he line up at OLB opposite Mathews? How would his skills translate?

Honestly, I only think Barnett could be good playing the OLB position off the TE (weakside), wherever that is. I don't think he's got the strength to take on a TE play after play. Maybe he could because I really know nothing, but I think if he didn't have a TE in his face, he could be decent/average as an OLB. But I really have no idea.

[Freak Out]

[get louder at lambeau]

JAGs dont RUN the defense.

JAGs also don't lead all LBs in INTs and come in 2nd among LBs in passes defensed. It's amazing to me that anyone would still be parroting this stuff right now.

[Guiness]

Packers re-signed ILB AJ Hawk to a five-year contract.
Hawk, 27, is expected to receive in the vicinity of $30-35 million in max value, with over $10 million guaranteed. We can't say we're in the love with the deal, but by all accounts Hawk is a coaching staff favorite despite his on-field deficiencies. He's not a stout run defender as 3-4 inside linebackers are supposed to be. For his part, Hawk ranked 22nd in the NFL in tackles last season, and the only linebacker with more pass breakups than Hawk was Kansas City's Derrick Johnson. Hawk had three interceptions and a fumble recovery.
Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Mar 3, 12:49 PM

Pretty vague, but seems in the neighborhood of what many here were thinking. $10million guaranteed is an awfully familiar number, I 'm sure that had something to do with his old contract, i.e. he didn't give up the $10million. The other number means nothing, of course, it's the max contract value so it's hard to tell how many incentives are part of it.

I'm a little curious about his old contract. He was due the bonus on the first day of the league year...if the CBA expires on the 4th (right, like it's not going to) is the 5th still the first day of the new league year? Or is there no 'new' year. Just wondering if he'd have gotten his money with or without a new CBA.

[Lurker64]

I'm not sure the person who wrote the above blurb (which is not Jason LaCanfora's twitter, I follow him on Twitter and he didn't write that) really understand's Hawk's responsibility as a run defender. It's primarily to maintain gap-integrity and to take on lead blockers. He's not the guy who's supposed to get TFLs 3 yards in the backfield, that's Bishop's job, and Hawk's job is to enable him to do it.

A lot more will be made out of the "Packers run defense was poor" than needs to be made by people who weren't really paying attention. The run defense was poor because we barely tried to stop the run. We were generally fairly successful at stopping it when we made an effort to do so.

[pbmax]

I'm not sure the person who wrote the above blurb (which is not Jason LaCanfora's twitter, I follow him on Twitter and he didn't write that) really understand's Hawk's responsibility as a run defender. It's primarily to maintain gap-integrity and to take on lead blockers. He's not the guy who's supposed to get TFLs 3 yards in the backfield, that's Bishop's job, and Hawk's job is to enable him to do it.

A lot more will be made out of the "Packers run defense was poor" than needs to be made by people who weren't really paying attention. The run defense was poor because we barely tried to stop the run. We were generally fairly successful at stopping it when we made an effort to do so.

I think you also could say the one thing he is as a run defender is stout. Downhill, supreme instincts, plays behind LOS, those are things he isn't as a run defender. He might not be Levon Kirkland in shedding a Guard's block, but he is stout and gap sure.

[pbmax]

... A lot more will be made out of the "Packers run defense was poor" than needs to be made by people who weren't really paying attention. The run defense was poor because we barely tried to stop the run...

Clearly I was on this narrative before the national sheep even knew who Diyral Briggs was.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?21016-Packers-Rush-Defense-Struggles&highlight=defense

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I'm not sure the person who wrote the above blurb (which is not Jason LaCanfora's twitter, I follow him on Twitter and he didn't write that) really understand's Hawk's responsibility as a run defender. It's primarily to maintain gap-integrity and to take on lead blockers. He's not the guy who's supposed to get TFLs 3 yards in the backfield, that's Bishop's job, and Hawk's job is to enable him to do it.

A lot more will be made out of the "Packers run defense was poor" than needs to be made by people who weren't really paying attention. The run defense was poor because we barely tried to stop the run. We were generally fairly successful at stopping it when we made an effort to do so.

the rest of the article was written by the guys at roto world

[Smidgeon]

Pretty vague, but seems in the neighborhood of what many here were thinking. $10million guaranteed is an awfully familiar number, I 'm sure that had something to do with his old contract, i.e. he didn't give up the $10million. The other number means nothing, of course, it's the max contract value so it's hard to tell how many incentives are part of it.

I'm a little curious about his old contract. He was due the bonus on the first day of the league year...if the CBA expires on the 4th (right, like it's not going to) is the 5th still the first day of the new league year? Or is there no 'new' year. Just wondering if he'd have gotten his money with or without a new CBA.

Bingo. The new league year doesn't start until a CBA is reached.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Clearly I was on this narrative before the national sheep even knew who Diyral Briggs was.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...hlight=defense

I think I said it all when I said this.

I'm just not feeling the big concern for the run defense.

[get louder at lambeau]

Bingo. The new league year doesn't start until a CBA is reached.

The timing of Hawk's release shows that they wanted to avoid any uncertainty and the litigation that would follow that, based on what the intentions of that contract provision were, or whatthefuckever.