So....what's Barnett worth????

[wootah]

Thing that has to be a concern is his reported off-field relationship with Finley. I read on here during the twitter wars the boys and their ladies are real tight. It reminds me a bit of the Favre/Pederson deal, where they didn't really want to tick Favre off and reportedly kept Doug around.

Let's face it, I'd rather Finley lines up for the Packers offense than against their defense. I've always been worried about Finley's maturity. Any thoughts?

I said it a while ago that I thought ARod's praising comments for Finley after the Superbowl win might have something to do with it. I'll quote myself on what I wrote back then:

I do not think at all it's a coincidence that Arod kept mentioning the return of Finley and gave him high praise ("the best TE in football") in the post-Superbowl interviews. He also repeated that when sending a message to Finley via Twitter (to which Jermichael answered that he was extatic to have Arod throwing him the ball for the next 10 years). Why with Finley and not Grant?

It has been documented that nothing Arod does is without a plan; the funny staches in training camp, organizing parties at his place, remembering all the players' birthdays, the belt. It all served a certain purpose... This in combination with his Finley remarks made me think. I might be completely wrong here, but I think Arod wants to keep Finley close, also knowing that there's a possibility of things getting ugly in the future. To be a respected voice of reason for Finley should it be necessary. Going even further, it's has also been said in interviews that the Finleys and the Barnetts get along well. Maybe Arod wants to anticipate on a departure of Barnett and how this would piss Finley off. Or maybe Arod just want to spend some time an igloo.

Again, this is just my gut feeling. Although it's striking how many fans have a similar fear regarding Finley.

[Smeefers]

I think the only way we cut him is if we need the money. If we have the cap space to keep him, we will. Also, I don't just give the starting position to Bishop, I think he's going to have to fight it out in camp with Barnett. It's Bishop's to loose, but I think everyone has forgotten just how good Barnett was. He was a top ILB in the NFC for years. If he completely rebounds from his injuries, well, it would be very hard to keep him on the bench over Bishop. Then the question becomes, is Bishop worth 4 mil a year as a back up and I think the obvious answer is yes.

[SkinBasket]

I have to agree with those who say we'll only cut him if we have to. Look at how long we tend to hold onto useless shitballs like Bigby, Poppinga, and that smiling black christian DE from Africa long after they've demonstrated they're all but useless. Barnett probably still has more than those guys put together had in their last seasons, so I'm guessing we hold onto him.

[Fritz]

"It has been documented that nothing Arod does is without a plan; the funny staches in training camp, organizing parties at his place, remembering all the players' birthdays, the belt. It all served a certain purpose..."

Wootah, are you saying that Rodgers is gay?!?

[vince]

I have to agree with those who say we'll only cut him if we have to. Look at how long we tend to hold onto useless shitballs like Bigby, Poppinga, and that smiling black christian DE from Africa long after they've demonstrated they're all but useless. Barnett probably still has more than those guys put together had in their last seasons, so I'm guessing we hold onto him.

I'd be shocked to see Barnett on the Packers when training camp kicks off. Both Hawk and Bishop have been assured of starting and their contracts support that too. McCarthy confirmed that Bishop would be starting just last week and here's what Hawk's agent had to say about Hawk's status after his recent converstations with the team.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/117378143.html

The one thing he did say is that there was no way Hawk was going back to being a part-time player as he was early in 2010 when he would come off the field in nickel situations.

"A.J., he's a three-down player," McCartney said. "I'm confident he'll be a third-down player and let's leave it at that."

To me, that screams out that the Packers have assured him he won't have to deal with someone who will be fighting for snaps. Barnett is due $6 mil. Chillar is due $2 mil. Barnett is a loose cannon who is used to starting and can't keep from bringing attention to himself. Chillar hardly talks and is used to being a sub-package player.

I recall a few years back when there was a lot of talk about moving him outside to make room for someone else to play inside. This was when his contract was coming up for renewal and moving outside would hurt his tackle stats. He made it known he wasn't about to move outside.

It's clear he isn't going to start. Barnett on the bench would be bad on a number of levels. I don't see it. Not with this organization and the emphasis on culture and the principles that are in place. Other teams deal with me-first malcontents. Green Bay cuts or trades them.

[pbmax]

But how much of the 3 down player talk is agent as opposed to the Packers? Because forget Barnett for a second, Chillar can still come on the field for the nickel. Unless he is coming on for Bishop.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't think he's going to OLB unless its a different system. Not big enough in a 3-4.

And I don't think Thompson will cut bait unless he gets an offer worth dumping him for. The Twitter thing was a lot of noise, but its not like it tore the locker room apart either. As for being in camp, its not like Bishop, Hawk or Francois need a metric ton of reps.

He waits for an offer and either releases him around the second preseason game (if he is feeling generous, to let him find a new team and practice with it) or right before the 4th game, a slightly less generous move. I think its the latter and he waits to see if an injury somewhere else peaks interest.

You all seriously take Bob McGinn to seriously. Barnett is a good pass rusher, he has speed to turn the corner on an offensive tackle, the quick twitch to jump gaps and twist. I am sure he would be an issue in the run game, but he could easily get his weight up to 245, that is a total weight gain of 7 pounds. Then he would weigh more than KGB and he was a down linemen(I just thought it was a nice complement to his name being written earlier).

Again he isn't garuanteed jack shit, so at this point what is to lose, he isn't going to make 6 million in a season ever again so he should be on board, if doesn't work cut his sorry ass for nothing.

Could it be more hassle than what Barnett is actually worth? Absolutely. But what else do you jackasses have to talk about? It is obvious that he is the odd man out, but damn do we love to pick on Barnett. Wist and I go back to the JSO days in bashing of Nick Barnett. It is good clean, and damn wholesome fun.

[mraynrand]

I have to agree with those who say we'll only cut him if we have to. Look at how long we tend to hold onto useless shitballs like Bigby, Poppinga, and that smiling black christian DE from Africa long after they've demonstrated they're all but useless. Barnett probably still has more than those guys put together had in their last seasons, so I'm guessing we hold onto him.

You don't like Bigby?

[pbmax]

You all seriously take Bob McGinn to seriously. Barnett is a good pass rusher, he has speed to turn the corner on an offensive tackle, the quick twitch to jump gaps and twist. I am sure he would be an issue in the run game, but he could easily get his weight up to 245, that is a total weight gain of 7 pounds. Then he would weigh more than KGB and he was a down linemen(I just thought it was a nice complement to his name being written earlier).

Again he isn't garuanteed jack shit, so at this point what is to lose, he isn't going to make 6 million in a season ever again so he should be on board, if doesn't work cut his sorry ass for nothing.

Could it be more hassle than what Barnett is actually worth? Absolutely. But what else do you jackasses have to talk about? It is obvious that he is the odd man out, but damn do we love to pick on Barnett. Wist and I go back to the JSO days in bashing of Nick Barnett. It is good clean, and damn wholesome fun.

I'd love for him to show pass rush off the edge, but I think the offense would block him with a TE or back and not sweat it. Blitzing in the interior where you can delay, choose from three gaps, or cross blitz and outrun someone is different. I don't remember him defeating too many one on one blocking attempts. He is a better inside blitzer than Hawk or Chillar, but I don't think he gets it done outside.

I don't have nearly the concern over his game in the middle that you or wist do. He plays the Mack role good enough. He is better there than inside a Donatell/Slowik 4-3. Not as good as he was under Bates/Sanders 4-3. And I think the conversion to Hawk as play caller on D was coincidence to the second year in the defense and a big improvement from the secondary.

[Patler]

And I think the conversion to Hawk as play caller on D was coincidence to the second year in the defense and a big improvement from the secondary.

I would tend to agree with this, except for the comments of several players, who seemed to appreciate Hawk's calm demeanor in getting the calls communicated, especially late calls and calls in late game situations. No one actually came out and said it, but I got the feeling a couple wanted to say that Barnett was just too hyper and it made the defense feel like they were scrambling and unprepared in crucial situations.

[Deputy Nutz]

I remember Jones weighinh 225 pounds when he was drafted out of Colorado as an outside linebacker for the Packers.

The neat thing about Dom's defense is that there seems to be a place for everyone, I don't know if that place holds a 6 milliion dollar price tag for Nick Barnett.

Nick Barnett can't get off of blocks, and he refuses to eat blocks at the line to force the running back into the teeth of the defense. Barnett was told to go make tackles and that is what he did regardless if they were at the los or ten yards down field. I don't he had very little gap responsibility. He is like a dog that you let off the leash, you never know where the fuck that dumbass dog is going to end up.

[pbmax]

I would tend to agree with this, except for the comments of several players, who seemed to appreciate Hawk's calm demeanor in getting the calls communicated, especially late calls and calls in late game situations. No one actually came out and said it, but I got the feeling a couple wanted to say that Barnett was just too hyper and it made the defense feel like they were scrambling and unprepared in crucial situations.

I took those comments as a "faint praise" kind of thing, but you could be reading it right. You would think more would have been made of it if Barnett had been the source of the secondary confusion last year. Run D didn't seem to suffer.

But I could see the call being made late after a Samurai dance.

[wootah]

"It has been documented that nothing Arod does is without a plan; the funny staches in training camp, organizing parties at his place, remembering all the players' birthdays, the belt. It all served a certain purpose..."

Wootah, are you saying that Rodgers is gay?!?

I'm not a native English speaker, so I had to look up this "gay" word you and Skin seem to love.

gay
1 if someone, especially a man, is gay, they are sexually attracted to people of the same sex [= homosexual; ↪ straight, lesbian]:
the gay community in London
2 (old-fashioned) bright or attractive:
gay colours
3 (old-fashioned) cheerful and excited:
She felt excited and quite gay.
4with gay abandon: in a careless way, without careful thought

So in the old-fashioned way one could call him gay, yes. But it was Favre who played with gay abandon.

[SnakeLH2006]

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Maybe a few jock straps and footballs. His value is diminished as all hell given his injuries/age/mobility with all the money given the other LB's....plus he got herpes from some extremely fat white girl in a club in GB last year. Snake knows.....Ughh..I seen pics...She is fug Nasty. Yuck.

BTW...Finley is buddies with him cuz they are buddies trying to nail chicks in clubs. Finley nailed a girl Snake nailed a year and half ago (she was hot but dumb)...some skills....Barnett nails nasty ass bitches that crackheads wouldn't touch...Yuck.

[Tarlam!]

I said it a while ago that I thought ARod's praising comments for Finley after the Superbowl win might have something to do with it. I'll quote myself on what I wrote back then:

Yup, that's what I remembered, I just couldn't quote who wrote it.