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  • WHY ISN'T THE HAWK SOARING? SHOULD WE START TO WORRY?

    I am starting to read more and more that rookie LB AJ Hawk isn't making the type of plays that a top 5 pick should make. I watched Family Night over and over and only watched Hawk during one of those viewings. Hawk was always "right there" but just a second too late as another Packer had the ball carrier wrapped up. He got stoned on his attempt to russ the passer and blew a coverage on the TE. Hawk looked like he was thinking too much and not playing enough. I will say that he was covering the FB and the TE out of the back-field a lot. Except for that one blown coverage, he was always in position. Should we be worried? I can't wait to see the game on Sat. to get a real "read" on his progress but I would have liked to have read some more training camp reports praising his play.

    Here is a portion of Chrisl't camp report from today, Aug. 9, 2006. AJ Hawk is the "thumbs down."

    THUMBS DOWN

    If linebacker coach Winston Moss has been at all disappointed in rookie A.J. Hawk’s play to this point, he isn’t willing to admit it, at least not publicly. Moss said he sees a “very talented player” with some pop to his game. “He has all the tools,” said Moss. “He’s still learning the defense. Once he settles down, people are going to be pleased.”

    But after 15 practices, Hawk hasn’t stuck out in a way that you’d expect from the fifth pick in the draft. Third-round choice Abdul Hodge seems to have more snap to his game, at least to this point. The big-time hitters at linebacker have a knack for rolling their hips and striking with such force that they’ll even jolt a 300-plus pound lineman. If Hawk has that kind of explosiveness, it hasn’t been apparent from the sidelines. More often, he seems to get engulfed with blockers and even take bad angles to the ball. And like most rookies, Hawk has struggled with pass coverage.

    Maybe there’s no reason for alarm at this point. Maybe Moss is right, that it will only be a matter of time before Hawk starts making people take notice. After all, Moss has an up-close look on the field and then watches every practice over again on tape. Moreover, Hawk hasn’t even played an exhibition game yet. But fifth picks in the draft are supposed to be special players; players who jump out on the practice field. And so far, Hawk has been hard to find. Not only is he short at 6-foot-1, but he also looks light in the shorts.
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    It depends what your definition of "playmaker" is.
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    • #3
      It's whatever you want it to be. You are the one answering it. Now you're over-thinking! Is this AJ???

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      • #4
        I guess the question could have been, "did Thompson overvalue the outside linebacker position by taking Hawk with the 5th overall pick?"

        I don't think so, but hey Hawk is the #5 player taken over all and if he is not leaping over tall buildings and saving people from burning building the media and fans are going to have a disappointed outlook.

        There is a lot let pressure on Hodge to succeed right now, yes he is good player but he is not even a starter yet. Hawk has been thrust into the starting lineup from day one, he is expected to be a team leader right off the bat, plus learn all his assignments on the fly. He also missed most of the OTAs and had only been to the first mini camp.

        We also have to remember that we are rating him at practice, practices are intense, but in no way are they as intense as even a pre-season game. Time will tell with all rookies but remember, Hawk is under a microscope, and usually when a player like Hawk is under that microscope they are going to be nitpicked to death.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr. Nutz
          I guess the question could have been, "did Thompson overvalue the outside linebacker position by taking Hawk with the 5th overall pick?"

          I don't think so, but hey Hawk is the #5 player taken over all and if he is not leaping over tall buildings and saving people from burning building the media and fans are going to have a disappointed outlook.

          There is a lot let pressure on Hodge to succeed right now, yes he is good player but he is not even a starter yet. Hawk has been thrust into the starting lineup from day one, he is expected to be a team leader right off the bat, plus learn all his assignments on the fly. He also missed most of the OTAs and had only been to the first mini camp.

          We also have to remember that we are rating him at practice, practices are intense, but in no way are they as intense as even a pre-season game. Time will tell with all rookies but remember, Hawk is under a microscope, and usually when a player like Hawk is under that microscope they are going to be nitpicked to death.
          I agree, give the guy a break. We haven't even had a preseason game yet and people are disappointed in him already. That can only mean to things: 1) Basically what Nutz said, and 2) we are to in tuned with the team and have become obsessed fans.
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          • #6
            Linebackers carry big load in new defense
            Players embrace scheme brought in by Bates
            By RICK BRAUN
            rbraun@journalsentinel.com


            Green Bay - In 2004, the Green Bay Packers' defense supposedly was going to be built around the talents of safety Darren Sharper.

            That defense is gone, and so is Sharper.

            Enter Jim Bates, the Packers' new defensive coordinator, and a new defensive scheme.

            One of the features of Bates' scheme is that linebackers are expected to make plays. In Miami, Zach Thomas became a Pro Bowl middle linebacker, overcoming concerns that he might have been a bit on the small side for a linebacker.

            For the 2005 Packers, it's pretty much a given that Nick Barnett and Na'il Diggs will be two of the three starting linebackers. Diggs has been practicing at both strong and weak side. Ray Thompson and incumbent Hannibal Navies are vying for the other starting spot, with draft pick Brady Poppinga and backup Paris Lenon also in the mix.

            For Barnett, the new defense is a breath of fresh air.

            "I'm hoping," Barnett said when asked if the new system allows linebackers to excel. "We're always around the ball to make plays and it's just on us to make the plays. It's a great scheme for the linebackers, obviously, because we get to run around and hit people and make plays.

            "We're not restricted to one gap; we're able to play the play instead of just playing our responsibilities and hitting just one gap and staying there. We're able to move around and make plays, and that's the difference between this defense and last year's defense."

            More freedom to make plays gives Barnett hope that the defense will also be one he has more fun playing.

            "Initially it makes it a harder system to learn," Barnett said. "There's a lot to learn. There's a lot of checks and a lot of things that we have to do initially. But once we get it down, it's going to be a funner defense and a harder defense for the offense to determine where we're going to be at. Before, we were going to the A gap and they knew we were going to be there. Now, we can be a player and make plays."

            Diggs, who finished second to Barnett in tackles for the second consecutive season last year, noted the responsibility that comes with playing linebacker in a Bates defense.

            "I think the linebacker position is the hardest position on the field in this defense," Diggs said. "I don't know if it's necessarily geared for the linebackers to make plays, I think it's geared for everybody to make plays. Everybody is able to be in a great position to make hits on the ball, including the D-linemen. The way I see it is we have a very challenging position, but I don't think there's any way it's specifically geared for the linebackers."

            Bates wouldn't go so far as to say his defense is designed for linebackers.

            "Well, everybody's got to make plays," Bates said. "Last year (in Miami) we had a defensive tackle with 102 tackles.

            "It takes every part to be good in any defense, but in our defense you've got to be strong up the middle in the running game. Linebackers got to be able to match backs and tight ends in coverage and corners got to be able to bump and run. Safeties got to be just what the word says, safeties. They've got to be over the top and not allow anything deep in the run or pass. They've got to control the running game as far as keeping the big runs down to a minimum if they pop a seam. The defensive ends have always been big in our scheme as far as making a lot of sacks."

            But in most defenses, linebackers lead in tackles. That's clearly the case in Bates' defense, where Thomas was a perennial leader in tackles with the Dolphins.

            And Bates admitted that the linebackers carry just a bit more responsibility.

            "That's the position that's probably hardest to learn within the scheme because they've got run-pass reads right at the snap of the ball," Bates said. "They're only 4½ yards off the line of scrimmage and we play a lot of matchup, and that takes longer than any other position to come to the front."

            Sure, all parts have to play well for a defense to succeed. But linebackers coach Mark Duffner believes the system should be especially good for his troops.

            "In watching the Miami defense over the years - especially the last couple years - their linebackers have been real productive and real participants in terms of making hits," Duffner said. "A lot of it is reflected in how the line plays. Their line has really been able to capture the line of scrimmage and then those linebackers would come in and make plays, so it's good for the productivity of the linebackers.

            "Our guys are coming along. I'm pleased with the effort they've put into it. It's a new scheme, a new terminology, it's a little different form of technique, but we've made steps forward. We're not where we need to be yet, that's for darn sure, but they've made some progress. We've got a lot of them kicking (butt) and being productive."

            Whether it is "geared for the linebackers," the system needs its linebackers to play at a very high level.

            One thing that makes that possible, according to Diggs and Barnett, is the fact that the defense should be a lot less predictable when it comes to opposing offenses.

            "Oh, yeah. That's one good thing about it," Diggs said. "Scheme-wise, this defense is going to give a lot of problems to the offense, including ours - West Coast, whatever kind of offense you decide to run - just because there are so many variations, so many looks. Something could look like something else that you saw earlier in the game but it could be totally different, which is good."

            Having already led the Packers in tackles in his first two seasons, Barnett is eager to see how the system works out for himself and the rest of the linebackers. But he's not concerned so much about statistics.

            "I'm just hoping to get to the playoffs and then to the Super Bowl," Barnett said. "I'm not worried about tackles or any of that. I'm just here to make plays and try to make the Packer defense the best in the NFC and in the NFL."
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            • #7
              IMO, special players are apparent anytime they step on the field be it practices, scrimmages or games.

              Hawk was drafted at, and is being paid at, the level of a special player. If he truly is one, there should at least be flashes of it at some point. While it may well happen, it doesn't sound to me like anybody has seen any indication of it yet.
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              • #8
                With that artical in mind, it sound liek the LB upgrade was needed adn should pay dividends.
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                • #9
                  Hawk

                  I think it's way to early to worry about Hawk right now. Give the guy some time and let him adjust. Let's watch the pre-season and judge him after that.

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                  • #10
                    "I'm just hoping to get to the playoffs and then to the Super Bowl," Barnett said. "I'm not worried about tackles or any of that. I'm just here to make plays and try to make the Packer defense the best in the NFC and in the NFL."


                    Not what he said in that other article that everyone is talking about in the other thread.
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                    • #11
                      This is so like Packer Fans. We give the guy two weeks and not even a pre-season game before we start to worry about him being a bust. Look he is not going to be a bust. Worse case scenario is you get a guy like Dan Morgan. All is good.
                      "For a fan base that so gratefully took to success, it bothers me how easily some fans are resigned to failure."

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                      • #12
                        Hawk's tentativeness is likely due to missing the OTA's per NFL rules for draftees still taking finals.

                        I think it's just a matter of time until he builds his confidence and starts to shine.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by No Mo Moss
                          This is so like Packer Fans. We give the guy two weeks and not even a pre-season game before we start to worry about him being a bust. Look he is not going to be a bust. Worse case scenario is you get a guy like Dan Morgan. All is good.

                          Well No No, worse case you get Brian Bosworth.....but seriously, I agree....Geez, I'd start to worry after the preseason and even then it might be too early.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by No Mo Moss
                            This is so like Packer Fans. We give the guy two weeks and not even a pre-season game before we start to worry about him being a bust. Look he is not going to be a bust. Worse case scenario is you get a guy like Dan Morgan. All is good.

                            I am not sure what "this is so like Packer fans" is suppose to mean, but I think it is normal to expect flashes of greatness from a top 5 draft pick. I haven't read to many reports that indicate that he has showed up big at even one practice. Now, I think he will be a good LB but I want a great one! Shouldn't Hawk be getting some articles written about his play? Instead, Hodge is the one getting all the headlines. It should make Packer fans wonder!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gbpackfan
                              Originally posted by No Mo Moss
                              This is so like Packer Fans. We give the guy two weeks and not even a pre-season game before we start to worry about him being a bust. Look he is not going to be a bust. Worse case scenario is you get a guy like Dan Morgan. All is good.

                              I am not sure what "this is so like Packer fans" is suppose to mean, but I think it is normal to expect flashes of greatness from a top 5 draft pick. I haven't read to many reports that indicate that he has showed up big at even one practice. Now, I think he will be a good LB but I want a great one! Shouldn't Hawk be getting some articles written about his play? Instead, Hodge is the one getting all the headlines. It should make Packer fans wonder!

                              Well, how many players dominate training camp before pre season? I don't know the answer but if after Saturdays game the guy doesn't do a damn thing you can at least ask the question I guess.

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