Tender Is the Night: Colledge, Crosby

[pbmax]

Why on earth would they not want some measure of compensation for Jones? Or at least drive up the cost for the other team?

There must be missing information.

[pbmax]

Just curious, do we know for certain that the didn't tender Jones? The info on the three seemed to come from their agents. Did the Packers announce anything? There are a bunch of others, too; like Spitz and Hall. I could see them trying to bring both back at vet minimum salaries.

The interesting one was Swain, who I think was an exclusive rights FA. I've seen nothing about a tender to him, either.

But a return of the old system is by no means assured. And if this was the case, why tender anyone? Its almost as if its the cost associated with the tag that they wish to avoid. Jones would have merited one of the top three tenders at least. Could this be a move with an eye towards the eventual return of the cap?

Why on earth would they not want some measure of compensation for Jones? Or at least drive up the cost for the other team?

There must be missing information.

[Fritz]

If you think the tenders are going to be irrelevant, why tender anyone, and if you think there's an outside chance they'll be relevant, why not tender Jones?

Or is he somehow in a different class in terms of years of service?

[Joemailman]

This can only mean one thing. Jones was caught messing around with MM's wife.

[Joemailman]

Why on earth would they not want some measure of compensation for Jones? Or at least drive up the cost for the other team?

There must be missing information.

Here's my thought: They've decided they've had enough of Jones. They feel it's unlikely someone would give up a 2nd round pick for him. Therefore, they would rather let him become a free agent and get signed by someone than sign him to a tender and then have to release him. The reason is that if comp draft picks are part of the next CBA, they could be eligible for a comp pick if someone signs him as a free agent, but would get nothing if they decide to release him.

[pbmax]

Here's my thought: They've decided they've had enough of Jones. They feel it's unlikely someone would give up a 2nd round pick for him. Therefore, they would rather let him become a free agent and get signed by someone than sign him to a tender and then have to release him. The reason is that if comp draft picks are part of the next CBA, they could be eligible for a comp pick if someone signs him as a free agent, but would get nothing if they decide to release him.

Seems unlikely though that someone who would give Jones a contract that would give the Packers pause also would not part with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Though it would be revealing if they simply had enough of the hands and fumbles. Of course, Nelson has been no better in that dept. Though Nelson will be cheaper this year.

[Iron Mike]

This can only mean one thing. Jones was caught messing around with MM's wife.

He got Ferguson'ed.

[Patler]

While nothing is assured, I have a hard time imagining the NFPLA agreeing to any FA situations more restrictive on the players than what they had two years ago, in which case all of the players in question, including Crosby and Colledge will be FAs. To be honest, I don't know why they bothered sending tenders to Colledge and Crosby.

Some teams tendered everyone they could, some ignored 4th and 5th year players and some tendered just a few, like the Packers did.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Seems unlikely though that someone who would give Jones a contract that would give the Packers pause also would not part with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Though it would be revealing if they simply had enough of the hands and fumbles. Of course, Nelson has been no better in that dept. Though Nelson will be cheaper this year.

I think Nelson has been better. Just not as much this year.

[Lurker64]

I don't know why they bothered sending tenders to Colledge and Crosby.

Notably, the only people who they tendered were the guys who are starters. It may have just been a gesture to indicate "we would like to have you back" more than anything else. The various guys who were or would be backups were not offered tenders. That may have been the only standard.

Thompson may also not have felt comfortable extending RFA tenders to guys he would potentially cut during TC, though that applies much more to Hall, Jackson, and Spitz than it does to Jones.

[pbmax]

There is a limit to the kind of tenders that can apply in certain circumstances. I think in revolves around original round tenders and players drafted in the 2nd round or higher. Basically, a way to ensure a team only gets one chance to offer the lower money "original round" tender rather than apply a more expensive (and for the player, slightly more lucrative) 2nd round tender.

Does anyone have a link to available tenders for teams?

[Patler]

There is a limit to the kind of tenders that can apply in certain circumstances. I think in revolves around original round tenders and players drafted in the 2nd round or higher. Basically, a way to ensure a team only gets one chance to offer the lower money "original round" tender rather than apply a more expensive (and for the player, slightly more lucrative) 2nd round tender.

Does anyone have a link to available tenders for teams?

I never even thought of that. It could explain some of why they only offered two. Basically, they have to give upgraded offers just to receive the same compensation in those situations, they can't rely on the "round picked in" tender amount. It makes it more expensive.

(c) (i) Notwithstanding Subsections 2(b)(i) and 2(b)(ii) above, in the event that a Prior Club tenders any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in a draft round lower than the first round a Qualifying Offer that requires Draft Choice Compensation of one first round selection (the “(c)(i) Upgraded Tender”), the Prior Club shall only be eligible to receive Draft Choice Compensation of one second round selection for any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in the first round of the Draft, unless such Restricted Free Agents have each received a Qualifying Offer of at least the amount of the (c)(i) Upgraded Tender.
(ii) Notwithstanding Subsections 2(b)(i) and 2(b)(ii) above, in the event that a Prior Club tenders any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in a draft round lower than the second round a Qualifying Offer that requires Draft Choice Compensation of one second round selection (the “(c)(ii) Upgraded Tender”), the Prior Club shall only be eligible to receive Draft Choice Compensation of one third round selection for any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in the second round of the Draft, unless such Restricted Free Agents have each received a Qualifying Offer of at least the amount of the (c)(ii)Upgraded Tender.

[Fritz]

But wasn't Jones a third round pick?

[pbmax]

But wasn't Jones a third round pick?

Yes.

But given where Colledge was drafted (2nd round), they might not have had a 2nd round upgrade tender to use. To keep him, they might have had to use the 1st round tender or the 1st and 3rd tender, which increases the cost considerably. I suspect that cost put the Packers at a cap number with which they weren't comfortable. They still have players to sign plus draft picks and the new cap number is a total unknown.

The other option might be an original round tender (3rd for Jones), a pretty low dollar offer. It would be slightly better than a compensatory round pick if they lost him in FA, but only slightly. If as a FA, Jones and the Packers get blown out of the water with a big contract offer from someone else, so big the Packers won't compete, that contract will help push the FA compensation toward the 3rd round level. For a contract lower than that, the Packers might like to match or beat it. So the Packers could be gaming the system to keep an option open for Jones while not carrying his tender offer on the books.

What I don't remember is the year of the pick. If an RFA signs with someone else, is the pick from the current year draft or the next? Because the FA compensation pick would be for the following year.

[Patler]

Yes, Jones was a third round; but Colledge and Jackson were 2nd round picks. With Crosby upgraded to a second, Jackson and Colledge would have to be given "upgrade" tenders, not same round tenders. Jones, of course, would need an upgrade tender. Basically, any of the tenders would cost them $1.9 million. Perhaps they wanted to commit no more than $4 million to the tenders, which meant 2 players.

Of course they can still try to sign Jones, Jackson, Hall or any of the others. I could see them making offers to Spitz, Hall, Jackson and Swain for the vet minimum salaries that apply. Jones might be viewed as a too-expensive luxury when they have three other WRs and a couple TEs. Might be time for a less-expensive rookie to fill that spot.