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    JON BALDWIN WR, Pittsburgh

    2011 GRADE: 7.0 C J HT: 6-5 WT: 230
    Overview

    Receiving Rushing
    Year Games REC YDS YPR YPG TD RUSH YDS YPC YPG TD
    2010 13 53 822 15.5 63.2 5 3 3 1.0 0.2 0
    2009 13 57 1111 19.5 85.5 8 1 61 61.0 4.7 0
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    Gabriel's Take

    A king-sized wideout who possesses a well-built upper body with the strength to consistently fend off defenders in the pass game. Is at his best when asked to get down the field, locate the football and go up and make a play. Looks like a power forward the way he attacks the throw and consistently is able to come down with the catch. Is more of a strider when asked to get vertical, lacks a great first initial burst and seems to really fight himself at times trying to get off the line and quickly into his route. Does a really nice job of plucking the football over the middle of the field and isn't afraid to put his body in harms way in order to make a play. Exhibits some shiftiness to his game with the ball in his hands and is able to side step defenders and accelerate into daylight.

    However, he lacks ideal balance/fluidity as a route runner. He's consistently forced to gear down and gather himself when asked to change directions and doesn't generate a great deal of separation out of his breaks. Plus, he isn't real sudden when asked to beat press coverage, and although he does do a good job of gaining a step by using his physicality to fight through defenders and then dropping his shoulder to maintain balance/strength, he isn't nearly as impressive at beating the bump as you would expect from someone his size.

    Seemed to look a bit bigger in 2010 and didn't quite have the same type of electric jump ball ability he did in 2009. His motor also seemed to run hot/cold as the season went on because of substandard QB play. Is a physical, nasty blocker when he wants to be and can dominate at the point of attack, but at times seems content to simply go through the motions and lacks the kind of ideal killer instinct.

    Impression: At his best when asked to get down the field and go up and make a play on the football. Can make a play on the football even when covered up, which is good because he doesn't strike me as a guy who is going to create a lot of separation for himself in the NFL. Is said to run in the low 4.4 range, but doesn't play nearly that fast and looks more like a possession type wideout at the next level.

  • #2
    sounds good but if he's projected to go in the first i don't think he'll be our pick. i think we'll go o or d line.

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    • #3
      TT has never picked a WR who lacks agility. Jennings - Elite agility. Jones - Great agility. Swain - Very good agility. Nelson - Very good agility. Change of direction is very important in route running and after teh catch. I'd be surprised if TT drafted a guy with that skill set.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
        TT has never picked a WR who lacks agility. Jennings - Elite agility. Jones - Great agility. Swain - Very good agility. Nelson - Very good agility. Change of direction is very important in route running and after teh catch. I'd be surprised if TT drafted a guy with that skill set.
        T-Murphy - agility.
        That 7th, was it Bragg? Dunno

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
          TT has never picked a WR who lacks agility. Jennings - Elite agility. Jones - Great agility. Swain - Very good agility. Nelson - Very good agility. Change of direction is very important in route running and after teh catch. I'd be surprised if TT drafted a guy with that skill set.
          Baldwin's numbers are comparable to Jones' except that he's much bigger and a more explosive jumper.

          3-cone
          Jones 7.06
          Baldwin 7.07

          20 Shuttle
          Jones 4.20
          Baldwin 4.34

          Vertical Jump
          Jones 34
          Baldwin 42

          Broad Jump
          Jones 9'11"
          Baldwin 10'9"

          40
          Jones 4.54
          Baldwin 4.49

          Height
          Jones 6'1"
          Baldwin 6'4"

          Weight
          Jones 207
          Baldwin 228

          I'd be ecstatic to get this guy. He's definitely athletic. He reminds you a bit of Jones but bigger, more aggressive attacking the ball and with better moves in space. Nice moves at about 1:20. I can't see Jones juking like that. He can run slants and the intermediate routes in traffic along with the deep routes..



          Him or Lurker's guy Randall Cobb at receiver or OLB Justin Houston if available, assuming the OT's are off the board. Wouldn't mind Pouncey or Watkins one bit either to replace Colledge.
          Last edited by vince; 03-09-2011, 11:10 AM.

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          • #6
            Nice highlights. Reminds more of Finley. Doubt Baldwin is available. Probably requires trading up. Pouncey also would be nice.

            The roster is solid. TT has enough picks and players to move-up to obtain another impact type player.

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            • #7
              6'4" with a 42" vertical? If that kid has anywhere near halfway decent hands you would throw the ball 2 feet over the goalpost bar in the redzone EVERY time where only one human on the field could catch it.
              Last edited by swede; 03-09-2011, 12:08 PM.
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by swede View Post
                6'4" with a 42" vertical? If that kid has anywhere near halfway decent hands you would throw the ball 2 feet over the goalpost bar in the redzone EVERY time where only one human on the field could catch it.
                Unless he is cursed with Bulaga-like short arms. If that is the case, he might not be able to each above his head. The draft experts convinced me last year that Bulaga's arms might not be long enough to reach from his shoulders to his hands.
                Last edited by Patler; 03-09-2011, 12:26 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rbaloha View Post
                  Nice highlights. Reminds more of Finley. Doubt Baldwin is available. Probably requires trading up. Pouncey also would be nice.

                  The roster is solid. TT has enough picks and players to move-up to obtain another impact type player.
                  Exactly. I don't think you can really compare him to any of the receivers. He'd play more of that slot / middle seem kind of role that Finley does. I guess he's a decent blocker too.

                  That said, his 2009 highlights are a lot better than his 2010. Some say he put on too much weight, others say he just had a bad QB and they had him running bombs non stop. Who knows? Intriguing prospect though.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vince View Post
                    Baldwin's numbers are comparable to Jones' except that he's much bigger and a more explosive jumper.

                    3-cone
                    Jones 7.06
                    Baldwin 7.07

                    20 Shuttle
                    Jones 4.20
                    Baldwin 4.34

                    Vertical Jump
                    Jones 34
                    Baldwin 42

                    Broad Jump
                    Jones 9'11"
                    Baldwin 10'9"

                    40
                    Jones 4.54
                    Baldwin 4.49

                    Height
                    Jones 6'1"
                    Baldwin 6'4"

                    Weight
                    Jones 207
                    Baldwin 228

                    I'd be ecstatic to get this guy. He's definitely athletic. He reminds you a bit of Jones but bigger, more aggressive attacking the ball and with better moves in space. Nice moves at about 1:20. I can't see Jones juking like that. He can run slants and the intermediate routes in traffic along with the deep routes..



                    Him or Lurker's guy Randall Cobb at receiver or OLB Justin Houston if available, assuming the OT's are off the board. Wouldn't mind Pouncey or Watkins one bit either to replace Colledge.
                    Well, I stand corrected. I didn't look at his numbers. I read the write up and it said his weakness was that he's a bit of a plodder. Taht write up is scary though. WR's who don't get separation and struggle in and out of routes. TE's, fine, but WR's. . . That's a big part of the job.
                    Last edited by RashanGary; 03-09-2011, 12:46 PM.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #11
                      It's a big part of the job unless you're a tall reciever who can jump out of the stadium. Then it doesn't matter if you get separation because you'll get the jump ball 9 out of ten.

                      Is it just me, or is there very little news about this years draft (players coming out and what not) besides Cam Newton. That kid has been crowned the next king nothing and it bugs me because he's not even the best QB coming out. Sure, last year all the talk was Tebow, but I had read up on at least the top ten, I knew their names, hell, I couldn't get away from it. I knew who Bulaga was when we drafted him and I was pumped because he fell so far. This year I find myself hunting for stuff, rather than just stumbling into it. Ehh, probably just me.
                      - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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                      • #12
                        Very long lean look to him. The video obviously makes him look good, but hard to get anything from it. It mostly seemed to feature spectacularly bad coverage! He's not going to slip away from his guy like that in the NFL!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Smeefers View Post
                          Ehh, probably just me.
                          I can only speak for myself, but, I agree. My reason is I'm holding my breath on the CBA outcome.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                            Very long lean look to him. The video obviously makes him look good, but hard to get anything from it. It mostly seemed to feature spectacularly bad coverage! He's not going to slip away from his guy like that in the NFL!
                            He did look a little stiff and did have an inconsistent QB. I thought those things were relatively obvious. But it looked like many of those catches were routine to him. Oh well. It's just a YouTube vid.
                            No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                            • #15
                              I noted several weeks ago this dude is a baller and if all of the OT, LB, CB are gone rated round one picks this guy would not surprise me
                              He has my endorsement
                              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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