Kolb vs. Flynn

[Smidgeon]

It's sounding like the Eagles have an informal offer for a 1st round pick for Kolb (pending the CBA getting figured out before the draft). Does this change Flynn's value at all, or does that mean it's still status quo? Who's better? Kolb or Flynn?

[gbpackfan]

I think Kolb is waaayyyyy over-rated. The Packers made him look like dung. I would rather have Flynn.

[MadtownPacker]

Kolb got his job took for a reason. Flynn shined and almost pulled off the upset of the regular season in his only chance. Based on having watched both play last season Flynn is worth more easily.

[Tarlam!]

The only thing good about Mad's posts is his avartar, his sig and his opinion. Otherwise he just just watch Fresno.

[bobblehead]

Kolb got his job took for a reason. Flynn shined and almost pulled off the upset of the regular season in his only chance. Based on having watched both play last season Flynn is worth more easily.

I am a Flynn fan, but I don't see him as better. He threw a lot of picks in limited attempts. One was an ugly pick six that helped cost that game he almost won. He was ineffective against detroit. Kolb had bright spots, flynn had bright spots. Both looked bad at times. I wouldn't give a 1st for either, but a second for flynn is as reasonable as it is for Kolb (Flynn has more room to grow as a starter imo)

[Bretsky]

Kolb is more talented than Flynn. He's got a rocket Flynn wishes he had.

[Smeefers]

I'd say they're about the same. Kolb has a stronger arm, Flynn is more accurate. If either were given a good team, they could not screw up enough to get them into the playoffs, but I don't think either of them would be a huge improvement to any bottom tier team.

[Bretsky]

If I was a GM I'd probably give up a late 1st for Kolb (but I'd try real hard to negotiatiate it to a 2nd) and a late 3rd for Flynn (trying hard to get him for a 4th)

[Fritz]

Kolb is more talented than Flynn. He's got a rocket Flynn wishes he had.

In his pocket?

[KYPack]

Kolb is more talented than Flynn. He's got a rocket Flynn wishes he had.

Man, I dunno, B-Man. I've only seen Kolb have one good game (when Vick was out, I think). I don't think either guy is a big thing or long term starter.

You've seen Kolb sling it then?

I just haven't seen the big arm from either of these two kids.

[Guiness]

Probably doesn't matter. Neither is getting traded this year, in all probability. There has to be football in order to get traded.

Mmmm, thinking a bit more about it, whoever grabs a first round QB might want to pick on of these guys up if there's an abbreviated TC and the rookies are nowhere near ready.

[Bossman641]

Man, I dunno, B-Man. I've only seen Kolb have one good game (when Vick was out, I think). I don't think either guy is a big thing or long term starter.

You've seen Kolb sling it then?

I just haven't seen the big arm from either of these two kids.

Two years ago Kolb had a run of a few good games in a row I believe. Kolb certainly has a better arm than Flynn.

[3irty1]

Only in a Packer forum would the votes fall this way. Kolb has had more good games than bad, he looks to be a starting option. Flynn is a good backup for sure, but he's still largely unknown.

[packerbacker1234]

I am a Flynn fan, but I don't see him as better. He threw a lot of picks in limited attempts. One was an ugly pick six that helped cost that game he almost won. He was ineffective against detroit. Kolb had bright spots, flynn had bright spots. Both looked bad at times. I wouldn't give a 1st for either, but a second for flynn is as reasonable as it is for Kolb (Flynn has more room to grow as a starter imo)

The question was posed on ESPN radion today like this: Do you use a 1st on an unknown QB, or do you use on someone like Kolb who you have seen before and know has the ability to play well at this level given proper coaching?

Kolb is the safer bet for a sure thing for your 1st rd QB selection, that is if you have a good coaching staff. As an example, MM could prolly mold Kolb into a pretty darn good QB.

The question of Flynn verse Kolb is interesting, but Kolb has the better physical skill set. As in - Kolb has the stronger arm. Flynn is a guy you like because he's a grinder. In a defensive slober fest where it's whoever gets the final punch, you want a guy like Flynn at QB. He's a gamer, and he's going get right back up and just keep coming at you. He isn't going to change how he plays because you think you stopped him - he's going to grind it an dmake what he is good at work.

Kolb has more of the type of arm to be an AR type QB (elite status), but it's still unsure if he has the head for it, or the accuracy to go along with the arm. He needs to be coached, and coached well, but he's more of a sure thing than Cam Newton.

Flynn reminds me more of a Tom Brady type if your going to compare top level potential - and I mean brady pre Moss. Sub 30 TD a year guy, not a ton of deep stuff, but pure gamer. A guy you can win SB's with if you have the right coaching staff in place.

Kolb reminds me more of big arm type QB - AR, Favre, Manning type ability with that ball, but it's yet to be known what type of head he carries. Is he a risk taker like favre, thus becomming a great regular season QB but wont get more than 1 ring in his career? Is he Manning where you work harder than every other QB in the league, but still drop the ball in the playoffs as much as the risk taker because of the over thinking? Or are you Rodgers where you just take what's given to you and let the game come to you?

Or, your a flop, and wont be anything better than a decent backup. Obviously the decent backup is the most LIKELY scenario because we're comparing to the top level guys. Point here is if your going to give up a first for Kolb, I think it makes you raise an eyebrow on Flynn's worth. He is at least a 2 right now. If he gets another game or two this next season and plays like he did against NE, it becomes a one next offseason if we still have his rights.

The question is always if it's worth giving him up, and if he's okay in his role. We ARE going to have 18 game seasons here eventually. Rodgers DOES have concussion history now, which means almost assuredly his next one is just like the last in terms of how it will be approached - your missing one game. Backup QB's are going to be invaluable for regular season success I feel. Not just for us, but for everyone.

Also, where does Flynn see himself? DOes he honestly feel he can be a top level guy? How much of how good he was in the one game pure coaching?

What's interesting I think is the simularities in the gameplan between what he did in that game, and what rodgers did against dallas when favre went out. Short passing, dink and dunk offense. Low risk, rely on YAC. The difference is Rodgers was thrust in and did that, Flynn wasn't able to do that out the gate against the lions. Took a week of practice.

Still, who knows. Flynn is a gamer. Kolb is the better talent. Who do you take?

[RashanGary]

Reid got rid of McNabb largely because he had Kolb. Vick just ended up stealing the show. The same way I trusted MM's judgement on Rodgers when we made teh move, I trust Reid's on Kolb.

I'm a big fan of Flynn, but his arm is weak. If Brady is a 7 out of 10. Flynn is a 5 out of 10. Flynn has it, but his arm doesn't. I still think he could be a very good QB, similar to a Jeff Garcia or Jake Delhomme in their prime, but Kolb has star potential and the endorsement of a smart offensive coach.

We're lucky to have Flynn. If AR goes down, I think Flynn has a winning record and keeps us in the playoffs.

Safer bet to be solid, I say Flynn
Better fit for our team, I say Flynn
If I'm looking for a starter, I'd roll the dice on Kolb. Higher upside.

I'll answer the original question like this, who is worth the highest pick? Kolb.