Cam Newton is Black!

[HowardRoark]

Cam is falling because of a lot of things...being black is not one of them.

I agree, those black fellas rarely fall; they got them nice, strong thighs.

[Guiness]

I am not looking to start a political who is more racist thread I am just saying Cam Newton is a multi million dollar bust that will set a franchise back 5 years.

I think you got the first part right, the second part wrong.

Likely a bust, but the (mostly white) owners will get the shit together regarding the rookie salaries, so blowing a top 10 pick doesn't cause undue hard to a franchise.

Bradford got the last of the windfalls. This year's #1 pick will definitely get less than half the 6 year $78million/$50million guaranteed that he did, and my guess would be close to 1/3. $25million/$15million guaranteed for 4 years?

[Tony Oday]

I think you got the first part right, the second part wrong.

Likely a bust, but the (mostly white) owners will get the shit together regarding the rookie salaries, so blowing a top 10 pick doesn't cause undue hard to a franchise.

Bradford got the last of the windfalls. This year's #1 pick will definitely get less than half the 6 year $78million/$50million guaranteed that he did, and my guess would be close to 1/3. $25million/$15million guaranteed for 4 years?

Money really never came into my thoughts about how he will set them back, more than likely he gets three years to do whatever it is he can do, when he fails, most rookie QBs need a year in the NFL to be effective that is where I get 5 years.

[Guiness]

Money really never came into my thoughts about how he will set them back, more than likely he gets three years to do whatever it is he can do, when he fails, most rookie QBs need a year in the NFL to be effective that is where I get 5 years.

I guess that depends on how stubborn the coach/GM/owner are with sticking with a player who obviously isn't going to cut it. Over the past decade, I think the preponderance has been to gut it out, hoping a top draft pick works out because of the money invested in him and it might be tough to pay for his replacement.

If the team's investment is closer to $15 million or something, I think they're more willing to move on than if they're into a player for $50million. Sam Bradford was going to start whether or not he was being successful. Even more so outside of the top 5 picks, if guaranteed money is >$10million I think you'll see teams riding guys for a couple of years, but not pressing them onto the field.

Worst case for a team would by a VY type of situation, where he shows flashes of success, but isn't going to cut it long term. A new rookie salary structure will mean guys like Leaf and JaMarcus are gone by wild card week-end of their rookie season.

[Brandon494]

Anyone who knows what Warren Moon had to go through to get in NFL understands why he made those comments. Not saying he is right because the same stuff was said about Jimmy Classeun last season and he is white.

[Brandon494]

Stay on your side of the border or put up a fuckin storage building or something you Mexican. That being said...I am just voicing my opinion. I have a few very close black friends and we've discussed these topics. What bothers me is that America can have a Miss Black America, but black women win Miss America all the time. What would happen if we had a Miss White America? There would be a riot. We can have the Negro scholarships and Indian scholarships and Asian scholarships...where's the White scholarships? That would just be terrible! Anytime something happens to a black athlete, which is what this topic is about, the race card is played. How many times do you hear a white guy speak out and say, "He's not a starter because he's white!" You don't! Then you have the Rooney Rule. That brings race back into the picture as well. If we're all going to be equal...quit playing the race card. That's just my opinion and I hope noone thinks any less of me.

Damn those minorities! Its not like we set their race back by stealing their land, killing them, and forcing them into slavery but now they want to take the white man's scholarships! haha Im j/k but seriously man give me a break. Some people arent so privileged to come from a good family and need help for a better life. You might want everyone to be equal but racism is still alive.

[easy cheesy]

Let's not start on revisionist history.... j/k... but give me a break.... I didn't come from a "good" family...did just fine....and not because of "color".... and, btw, "reverse" racism is also quite alive and well....

[Tony Oday]

Warren Moon experienced it but not Cam get real. Mallet is getting slammed as the next Ryan Leaf! WTF nobody is bitching about those comments because he is white...Warren Moon you are a moron. Cam Newton you are a bust.

[Brando19]

Damn those minorities! Its not like we set their race back by stealing their land, killing them, and forcing them into slavery but now they want to take the white man's scholarships! haha Im j/k but seriously man give me a break. Some people arent so privileged to come from a good family and need help for a better life. You might want everyone to be equal but racism is still alive.

You say some people aren't so privileged to come from a good family...are you referring to blacks, mexicans, etc.? Because i know a shitload of white people who need alot of help, too. I like you, Brandon so this isn't being thrown at you...i'm just voicing my opinion...but when you were joking you said WE set their race back...i ain't done shit. That was over a hundred years ago. These so called minorites need to get over it. I agree that racism is still alive, but it is alive both ways. Warren Moon needs to step the fuck back and take a look at what he is saying. This ain't 1850...hell...it ain't 1985. Alot's changed, but it won't keep changing for the better if we can't move on.

[Guiness]

Warren Moon did indeed go through a lot, but I was lucky enough to see him during his days with the Eskimos, he was incredible. Five straight Grey Cups, lost only 1 playoff game (won 9) and threw for over 5,500 yards one year!

I wonder how he looks back on those years?

[Zool]

Let's not start on revisionist history.... j/k... but give me a break.... I didn't come from a "good" family...did just fine....and not because of "color".... and, btw, "reverse" racism is also quite alive and well....

Is reverse racism where you hate people of your own race? If not its all just racism. Calling it reverse automatically makes the term racism into white people being prejudiced against black people. Some people are racist no matter the race. Anyone who doesn't think so hasn't lived around anyone but their own.

The comments by Moon make me think he doesn't watch a lot of football. There's been quite a bit of history on 1st round, can't miss QB's sucking no matter the race. The highest profile ones lately just happen to have been black. If he's really pissed off maybe he should call up Jamarcus Russel and yell at him for sucking so hard.

[Tarlam!]

...i ain't done shit. That was over a hundred years ago. These so called minorites need to get over it. I agree that racism is still alive, but it is alive both ways. Warren Moon needs to step the fuck back and take a look at what he is saying. This ain't 1850...hell...it ain't 1985. Alot's changed, but it won't keep changing for the better if we can't move on.

Living a the most modern country to have used racism aggressively, I can tell you, it's not that easy to get over. Both the Germans and their victims are highly traumatized to this day. I don't see that ending anytime soon, whether "I done shit, or not".

[Pugger]

Is reverse racism where you hate people of your own race? If not its all just racism. Calling it reverse automatically makes the term racism into white people being prejudiced against black people. Some people are racist no matter the race. Anyone who doesn't think so hasn't lived around anyone but their own.

The comments by Moon make me think he doesn't watch a lot of football. There's been quite a bit of history on 1st round, can't miss QB's sucking no matter the race. The highest profile ones lately just happen to have been black. If he's really pissed off maybe he should call up Jamarcus Russel and yell at him for sucking so hard.

Moon is way off base here. There have been a boat load of crappy WHITE QBs that were taken in the first round the last few years but no one brings up their race:

Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Kyle Boller
JP Losman
Alex Smith
Matt Leinart
Brady Quinn

People like Moon who bring up the race card when someone slams a black athlete are the true racists in my book.

[SkinBasket]

You might want everyone to be equal but racism is still alive.

So is the self destructive culture of victimhood.

After moving to Ohio, most of our service persons have been white and we've received much better service than the black people doing the same jobs provided near Milwaukee. I'm trying to determine if that's because they're better at their jobs than black people or if I've just been the victim of racism all these years and the black people have intentionally done a shitty job because I'm white.

[MadtownPacker]

Our resident illegal alien and sort of founder seems to be in a surly mood today.

Here's a redneck joke you can dig Mad,

A U.S. Navy cruiser pulled into port in Mississippi for a week's liberty.The first evening, the Captain was more than a little surprised to receive the following letter from the wife of a wealthy plantation owner:

"Dear Captain, Thursday will be my daughter Melinda's, coming of age party. I would like you to send four well mannered, handsome, unmarried officers. They should arrive at 8 p.m. prepared for an evening of polite southern conversation and dance with lovely young ladies. One last point: No, Mexicans. We don't like Mexicans."

Sure enough, at 8 p.m. on Thursday, the lady heard a rap at the door. She opened the door to find, in dress uniform, four exquisitely mannered, smiling black officers. Her jaw hit the floor, but pulling herself together she stammered, "There must be some mistake!"

"On no, madam," said the first officer, "Captain Martinez doesn't make mistakes."

Fuckin love it! Haha!