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  • Second Draft Final Round: (#1) Reed vs. (#2) Ijalana

    In our mock second draft ( http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...k-second-draft ) we decided that rather than a free for all poll, we would try a bracket. This is the finale. The poll will run for three days, finishing up on the eve of the actual draft


    Let's meet the prospects (All Scouting reports are shamelessly cribbed from Wes Bunting at the excellent National Football Post).

    Brooks Reed OLB, Arizona
    6'2 1/2", 263 lbs.

    An undersized pass rusher who plays 100 miles per hour on every down. Exhibits a good first step off the snap, gets off the ball quickly, keeps his pad level down and is consistently one of the first defensive linemen moving off the line. Has the ability to threaten the edge and get into offensive tackles quickly. Looks comfortable keeping his pad level down into contact, extending his arms and can create a bit of a surge on his bull rush. Plays with good leverage and can be a bit more physical than his frame would suggest.

    However, lacks balance and body control at this stage and really struggles when asked to change directions, keep his feet under him and break off any type of counter move. Also seems to routinely overextend into blocks and doesn't have the type of coordination to drop his shoulder and really accelerate around the corner. Is a real linear pass rusher at this stage who hasn't figured out how to maintain his balance off his initial rush.

    Isn't a guy who can stack and shed vs. the run game at the next level, but does play with good leverage when run at and will chase the football in pursuit. Works very hard, fights and scraps for every inch and can work his way into the backfield toward the football, but fails to disengage consistently.

    Impression: Plays hard and at least has the explosion to be a threat as a pass rusher at the next level. However, his ability to develop a counter move and become more than a one-trick pony off the edge is key. Looks more like a nickel rusher or potential 3-4 OLB prospect who I would take a shot on because of his initial burst and overall work rate on the field.

    Ben Ijalana OT, Villanova
    6'3 5/8", 317 lbs.

    A gifted athlete for his size who displays good range off the edge in pass protection and has the kind of athleticism needed to play on the left side in the NFL. Does a nice job quickly changing directions and redirecting in space, displays a lateral burst when asked to mirror one-on-one and exhibits the range to reach the corner. Is still raw with his footwork and too often stands upright initially off the snap and will get overextended on his kick-slide. However, he's a long-armed kid who sticks to blocks well once he gets a hold of defenders and is a really heavy-handed kid. Possesses a good first step off the snap and is able to consistently get around defenders and seal, and has improved getting off the snap count on time as a senior.

    Has really improved his overall pad level as a run blocker as a senior. Does a much better job sitting into his stance, firing off the football low, extending his arms and keeping his feet under him through contact. A downright dominant in-line guy at the I-AA level who can routinely get under defenders, lock out and drive linemen off the ball. Is also very coordinated on the move, possesses good range when asked to pull, step and seal quickly inside and does a great job breaking down and eliminating a defender at the second level.

    Impression: A downright dominant small-school blocker with a great physical/athletic skill set. Needs to continue to improve his footwork on his kick-slide, but he's a gifted enough athlete to pick that up quickly. The biggest question for Ijalana is, where does he best fit? He's long enough to play left tackle and physical enough to play guard. Either way he's one of the better offensive line prospects at this stage and in my view you let him get comfortable at guard in year one and see if he can make the move to left tackle in year two.
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    Brooks Reed
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    6
    Ben Ijalana
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    13

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  • #2
    i voted Ben Ijalana... as much as i would love to have a better pass rusher opposite CMIII, Ijalana can help solidify the offensive line... btwn Ijalana, Bulaga, Sitton, and Lang... holy shit... really?? that would be a nasty offensive line to go with a nasty offense... i'm just saying...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by BZnDallas View Post
      i voted Ben Ijalana... as much as i would love to have a better pass rusher opposite CMIII, Ijalana can help solidify the offensive line
      This. I feel the exact same way. Regardless of whether or not TT goes OL in the 1st, I just hope he has the ability to keep Sitton in Green and Gold for a long time to come. The guy's fantastic, IMHO. Between him and Bulaga, the foundations for a strengthed changing of the guard at OL are laid.

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      • #4
        Brooks Reed in demand, had over 12 visits and workouts
        The National Football Post
        Apr 20, 5:01 pm EDT


        tweet22EmailPrintUniversity of Arizona hybrid outside linebacker defensive end Brooks Reed visited the Indianapolis Colts last weekend and has also visited the Atlanta Falcons, Washington Redskins, Arizona Cardinals and the Buffalo Bills, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.


        Reed is regarded as a hot player in NFL scouting circles and has worked out for several position coaches and team executives, including the Minnesota Vikings, Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots, Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns and the Miami Dolphins.


        He had other undisclosed private workouts as well.


        Initially regarded as a second-round draft selection, Reed is is in the first-round conversation and ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay has him going 20th overall in his latest mock draft.


        Reed has been drawing comparisons to Packers star linebacker Clay Matthews(notes) for reasons beyond having long blond hair.


        Reed had the top 10-yard split among all defensive linemen with a 1.54 clocking. Like Matthews, he's also regarded as a former Pac-10 player who moved up considerably as a senior.


        Reed had a sprained ankle during his junior season.


        An AFC West scout said he significantly upgraded his grade on Reed after watching him play against Iowa in person.


        The nearly 6-foot-3, 263-pounder recorded 47 tackles, 6 1/2 sacks and 10 tackles for losses last season.


        For his career, the All-Pac 10 Conference selection registered 17 sacks.


        At the NFL scouting combine, Reed ran the 40-yard dash in 4.65 seconds, bench pressed 225 pounds 30 times. He also posted a 30 1/2 inch vertical leap and a 9-5 broad jump.


        Reed posted 114 career tackles, 25 for losses and five pass deflections.


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        • #5
          I voted for the OL, just because of need. I'd be happy with either, but I think keeping Rodgers from getting smashed around should be priority #1, and would love to see them get a prospect with the versatility to play guard or tackle.

          With Zombo, Walden, and Jones, we aren't really thin at OLB. It would be nice to improve at the top of the depth chart across from Matthews, but we do have some young depth that has played well.

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          • #6
            This Reed stuff is getting out of hand. What do people see that they think he's worth a 1st or 2nd round pick? IMO Frank Zombo is as good of a player.
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            • #7
              I'd take Ijalana. He's a more polished prospect IMO and ready to contribe from day one...and OL is a slightly bigger area of need too.

              Reed is intriguing, and he should send a nice present to Clay when he gets picked in the top 20 (since his demand is largely due to the impact Clay had and their similarities) but I think so much of Clay's play happens between his ears and often gets overlooked by his athleticism. The kid is football smart because he comes from a historic NFL family and grew up around the game. He caused the fumble in the Super Bowl by KNOWING what play was going to be run and setting up the defense for it.

              Somehow, I don't see Reed having the same football IQ...even if all the other measureables stack up. He's not worth a 1st rounder IMO. He may become a very good player, but probably not a Claymaker.
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              • #8
                Brooks Reed sounds more like KGB than CM3. The description makes me leery of making him a 3-4 OLB, especially this quote:
                However, lacks balance and body control at this stage and really struggles when asked to change directions, keep his feet under him and break off any type of counter move
                Much rather the OL guy instead.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
                  This Reed stuff is getting out of hand. What do people see that they think he's worth a 1st or 2nd round pick? IMO Frank Zombo is as good of a player.
                  He's a huge, strong, quick OLB pass rushing prospect. What's not to like about that? He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Zombo, he looks like a runaway truck chasing QBs in his YouTube highlights, and he has purdy hair like CMIII. Pass rushers are a main target in the first couple rounds every year, so why is it so surprising?

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                  • #10
                    Offensive line. Gotta keep Rodgers upright and healthy. You need to protect him.
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                    • #11
                      You're going to reach for a player with a 32nd pick unless a certain few players drop. Drafts never go the way they are predicted so who knows. Take the most talented player, he can fit in some where at this point, so I go for Reed.

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                      • #12
                        Ijalana, only for the fact that some relatively good OLB options should be available when we pick at the end of the 2nd. The same value probably won't be there for OL. But then again, who knows how the dominos will fall?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
                          This Reed stuff is getting out of hand. What do people see that they think he's worth a 1st or 2nd round pick? IMO Frank Zombo is as good of a player.

                          And what would you base that on ?????

                          Zombo was considered a guy who was "maybe" worth a late round draft grade if he was going to get drafted at all. Reed has played and proven himself to be able to excel against real time competition at a major college. Every scouting report will note he has a great attitude and an incredibly hard worker. Nearly every mock out there has him going between 15-60.

                          Frank Zombo didn't get a grade like that by any scout in the NFL and it was apparent because he wasn't drafted. He was a feel good story and that is good to see. but

                          I don't get any comparison to Frank Zombo and I'm curious how one might even come up with that comparison unless they just want to downgrade Reed.
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                          • #14
                            I would be so very surprised if we actually picked ijalana. He's projected to go late in the second round. At least with reed he's considered an early second rounder.
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                            • #15
                              Both look like solid players. I hope it doesn't fall this way, but I voted Reed.
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