Rate the 2008 draft

[Tarlam!]

Just not committed emotionally anymore.

Another victim of Bert Farp.

[King Friday]

This draft is about a C for me. I like to assign values of 1-10 for each player and divide by 40, which is about what I think an average draft should produce IMO. I get the 40 by thinking that most teams get 8 picks on average who should produce roughly to this grading: 9-7-5-5-4-4-2-2-2

Rough draft grading guidelines - although one superstar pick could bump up a grade due to importance of those guys.
>52 = A draft
45-52 = B draft
36-44 = C draft
28-35 = D draft
<28 = F draft

Rough player grading guidelines:
10: Pro Bowl caliber starter
8-9: Very good starter
6-7: OK starter/talented reserve
4-5: Reserve who makes contributions
2-3: Roster filler who hasn't made an impact
1: Certain bust

Nelson: 7
The kid is a very solid #3 receiver who potentially might have a little more upside remaining. Will never be a star, but is reliable and his contribution in the Super Bowl run was undeniable.

Brohm: 1
The guy never seemed to have a clue. Probably will go down as one of Thompson's worst draft choices.

Lee: 2
If he was a 6th round pick, he'd be OK. As the 60th pick overall, he's virtually a bust.

Finley: 6
Tremendous talent, but needs to put up an 75+ catch season before you can seriously say he's arrived. Obviously his grade has potential to move higher, but this year is going to be a huge factor in determining that.

Thompson: 3
Not much to see here from an early 4th round pick.

Sitton: 10
A bona fide starter with serious Pro Bowl potential in the near future. Far and away the best pick of this draft.

Giacomini: 1
Another guy that never seemed to really establish himself at all, even though there was plenty of chance with the mediocre play from the OL prior to 2010.

Flynn: 5
Tough to grade a backup QB. He's shown a lot of promise, and with Rodgers as the franchise it would appear that Flynn's greatest contribution will be what kind of draft pick compensation he can bring in a trade.

Swain: 3
The guy actually stuck to the roster a lot longer than I thought he would. Probably could be 5th receiver on many NFL teams. Not bad for 7th round.

TOTAL = 38

I'd bump this up to a solid C based on Finley's POTENTIAL. If he becomes the superstar he thinks he is, then I'd bump the draft up to a solid B.

[swede]

GIGO

[Iron Mike]

Anyway back on topic...

Fuck that.

Petrie's is Taco Johns now? Where am I supposed to get my clam chowder at? Bastards.

Schreiner's, obviously.....

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[Iron Mike]

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I'm down with that.

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[packerbacker1234]

The thing about grading drafts is the only fair way to grade them is to compare it to how all the other teams faired that year. On average, I think it's more likely teams have bad drafts then good ones - because everyone is drafting based on talent.

Every year you're going to draft guys that simply don't pan out, but you may find guys others didn't think would be that great and they turn out to be awesome - (IE, Sitton).

If I am giving a grade, and basing it on what others did, it would have to be a B. We got a sure fire stud out of this draft in Sitton for great value, a solid #3 WR, and a good potential stud TE who claims to be working on getting his head straight, but we'll see. We got great value 7th round pick in Flynn who is slowly proving to be possibly worth a shot in starting for some team - but he has high value for the packers after the NE game. Rodgers now has a history of concussions - so his next one will likely force rodgers to miss another game. That means the backup position is of great importance in GB.

Lee is still around and performed in the most important game of his life. Swain turned out to be a good value. 7th rounder with great special teams skill.

Of what we drafted, I count 3 guys who haven't made any impact. 3 out of 9. That's a pretty darn good draft overall.

[Brandon494]

This draft is about a C for me. I like to assign values of 1-10 for each player and divide by 40, which is about what I think an average draft should produce IMO. I get the 40 by thinking that most teams get 8 picks on average who should produce roughly to this grading: 9-7-5-5-4-4-2-2-2

Rough draft grading guidelines - although one superstar pick could bump up a grade due to importance of those guys.
>52 = A draft
45-52 = B draft
36-44 = C draft
28-35 = D draft
<28 = F draft

Rough player grading guidelines:
10: Pro Bowl caliber starter
8-9: Very good starter
6-7: OK starter/talented reserve
4-5: Reserve who makes contributions
2-3: Roster filler who hasn't made an impact
1: Certain bust

Nelson: 7
The kid is a very solid #3 receiver who potentially might have a little more upside remaining. Will never be a star, but is reliable and his contribution in the Super Bowl run was undeniable.

Brohm: 1
The guy never seemed to have a clue. Probably will go down as one of Thompson's worst draft choices.

Lee: 2
If he was a 6th round pick, he'd be OK. As the 60th pick overall, he's virtually a bust.

Finley: 6
Tremendous talent, but needs to put up an 75+ catch season before you can seriously say he's arrived. Obviously his grade has potential to move higher, but this year is going to be a huge factor in determining that.

Thompson: 3
Not much to see here from an early 4th round pick.

Sitton: 10
A bona fide starter with serious Pro Bowl potential in the near future. Far and away the best pick of this draft.

Giacomini: 1
Another guy that never seemed to really establish himself at all, even though there was plenty of chance with the mediocre play from the OL prior to 2010.

Flynn: 5
Tough to grade a backup QB. He's shown a lot of promise, and with Rodgers as the franchise it would appear that Flynn's greatest contribution will be what kind of draft pick compensation he can bring in a trade.

Swain: 3
The guy actually stuck to the roster a lot longer than I thought he would. Probably could be 5th receiver on many NFL teams. Not bad for 7th round.

TOTAL = 38

I'd bump this up to a solid C based on Finley's POTENTIAL. If he becomes the superstar he thinks he is, then I'd bump the draft up to a solid B.

Finley deserves more than a 6, how is he not a very good starter? It amazes me the lack of respect this guy's talent is getting on this board. Oh well I'll enjoy bumping this thread next season....thats if there is a next season :/

[Brandon494]

Jermicheal Finnely, 3rd round draft pick that has played close to the book that was written on him before the draft. A tremendous talent, most talent among Tight Ends in the 2008 draft but a complete lack of maturity. Had a break out season in 2009 but after the season it was reported that he missed or showed up late to several meetings and had upset the coaching staff. He also missed all but 4 games of the 2010 season and missed a handful of games in 2009 as well. Finely might be the top talent on the roster, but his lack of maturity might be the reason that TT has drafted Tight Ends in two of the last drafts. Grade B

DJ Williams and Ryan Taylor might have played TE in college but they are projected to play FB/H Back in our offense. Also Taylor is a former LB who only played one season at TE. They were drafted to replace Korey Hall and Quinn Johnson, not one of our top talented players.

[bobblehead]

Retail suck my fuckin dick and choke on a nut!

Brandon, I am being whimsical here, not confrontational, but I can't resist.

Is it so small that someone like RG (who is likely unskilled at deepthroating) could actually GET to a nut??

[Brandon494]

Whats the main goal in getting your dick sucked? To bust a "nut", not as in testicle.

[get louder at lambeau]

I don't strictly agree with sharpe, but I think you have taken this comparison a bit too far. By this logic, Peprah is more valuable than Al Harris, Jarius Wynn over Mike Neal and Jarret Bush over Woodson. Each was productive while the nominal starter was unavailable but that's not the whole story.

I think Nelson's production means he is definitely better than the backup TEs and possible Jones, but it doesn't place him above Finley. With a bit more time, it might have told us he is more durable than Finley, making him the more valuable player. But its hard to fault a TE for being hurt on a tackle attempt after an O turnover.

The question was never whether Finley or Jordy was more valuable. He said he'd take 5 games of Finley over 16 of Jordy. That's what I was disagreeing with.

And those playoff numbers by Jordy are HUGE. Let's not compare him to Peprah and Wynn. If Finley did what Jordy just did in the playoffs, everyone would be lining up to suck his dick and screaming for him to be re-signed to a megabucks deal.

Only 4 wide receivers in NFL history have caught more balls in a Super Bowl than Jordy just did in SB XLV. No Packer has ever had more catches in a postseason game than Jordy just did in the Super Bowl. Only 3 Packers have ever had more receiving yards in any postseason game than Jordy just had in the Super Bowl.

Nelson's performance set new Packer Super Bowl records for both catches and receiving yards, yet doesn't get much mention for doing it, for some strange reason.

For comparison purposes-

Jordy Nelson in Super Bowl XLV-
9 catches, 140 yards, and a TD.

Finley's best NFL game ever vs. AZ in the playoffs after the 2009 season-
6 catches 159 yards, 0 TDs

Max McGee's legendary hungover performance in Super Bowl I-
7 catches, 138 yards, 2 TDs

Antonio Freeman in SB XXXI (best receiving performance in SB XXI)-
3 catches, 105 yards, 1 TD

[Brandon494]

Jordy did have a huge postseason and ARod had trust in him to continue to throw him the ball even with the drops which showed a lot.

[mraynrand]

Finley deserves more than a 6, how is he not a very good starter? It amazes me the lack of respect this guy's talent is getting on this board. Oh well I'll enjoy bumping this thread next season....thats if there is a next season :/

You're still stuck in the wrong aspect of the argument. There are two parallel points being made on this thread. You are getting upset with people for evaluating Finley's total contribution as though they are disparaging his talent, potential and past achievements. Sky's the limit for Finley. I said before the season and during the season that he was one of the few game changers on the team. he still is. If he stays healthy and in a good system, Finley could end up a top 2-3 TEs of all time. But you can't get around the fact that they won it all without him. Other guys stepped up, most notably Rodgers, who had one of the greatest post-seasons from a QB that you'll ever see. Keep that offense intact and look out.

[Brandon494]

Just because they won the SB without him doesn't mean he still isn't a top 5 talent at TE. We already know we have a top 3 QB along with a top 10 reiever. No offense to Grant but if Starks or Green break out to be top 10 talent it's a fucking wrap.

[pbmax]

The question was never whether Finley or Jordy was more valuable. He said he'd take 5 games of Finley over 16 of Jordy. That's what I was disagreeing with.

Yes, I understand. But in making your argument, you claim the Packers couldn't have won the SB without Nelson and did win without Finley. And my point is that this argument doesn't shed much light on either player's value to the team. Nelson contributed mightily as the 4th WR. Finley, had he been available rather than Nelson, would have been the 1st or 2nd target.

Nelson did come through at a crucial time, but not in such a way that Finley (or even Jones) couldn't surpass if they were the fourth most feared option on the Packer offense.

There is a point, however, where the point Patler, Rand, yourself and others have been making will dominate. Sometime soon Finley has to stay on the field.