Top 100 players running thread

[mraynrand]

Guessing you havent watched many TB games, Freeman is a beast and doesn't have nearly the amount of talent that Flacco has around him.

First, the show has a 'lifetime achievement award' element to it; second, the Ravens have been much more successful of late than the Bucs; third Freeman has had 1 - 11/2 good years to Flacco's several, and fourth Freeman has no playoff games yet - the fourth one may actually be to his credit relative to Flacco, because - as has been well documented here on Packerrats, Flacco pretty much sucks in the Playoffs. But other players vote based on team success as well, and QBs get credit for team success, deserved or not. Freeman gets in the playoffs and wins a few and his stock will rise considerably. He's a huge, tough, gamer of a QB. He's accurate enough but not exceptional in that category. It will be interesting to see whether he rises to the challenge of playoff games. Last year, injuries took a huge toll on the Bucs, but they are up and coming.

[pbmax]

But if Flacco and Freeman are in the top 100, then you have to add Manning, Brady, Brees, Rothliesberger, Rivers and Rodgers. That's a minimum of 8 QBs in the top 100. Forget specialists, there are 44 positions and let's say we drop FBs. 43 for a team. So for the top 100 that is 2 1/3 teams. And there are 8 QBs.

Neither Freeman nor Flacco are good enough to justify that kind of proportion.

There has got to be a deep safety more worthy.

[mraynrand]

I'm sure LaRon Landry and Ed Reed will finish higher than a lot of QBs. Is that enough for ya?

[Brandon494]

First, the show has a 'lifetime achievement award' element to it; second, the Ravens have been much more successful of late than the Bucs; third Freeman has had 1 - 11/2 good years to Flacco's several, and fourth Freeman has no playoff games yet - the fourth one may actually be to his credit relative to Flacco, because - as has been well documented here on Packerrats, Flacco pretty much sucks in the Playoffs. But other players vote based on team success as well, and QBs get credit for team success, deserved or not. Freeman gets in the playoffs and wins a few and his stock will rise considerably. He's a huge, tough, gamer of a QB. He's accurate enough but not exceptional in that category. It will be interesting to see whether he rises to the challenge of playoff games. Last year, injuries took a huge toll on the Bucs, but they are up and coming.

Flacco was drafted into the perfect situation with the Ravens, Freeman the complete opposite. Also look at all the offensive veterans Flacoo had while Freeman did it with a rookie as his #1 reciever and starting RB. Playoff success is based on team play and not the individual so your argument is weak there especially with the play Flacco has shown in the playoffs. Yes you do hear Flacco's name more because of the team he plays for but Freeman is the better player IMO and the opinion of current NFL players.

[pbmax]

I'm sure LaRon Landry and Ed Reed will finish higher than a lot of QBs. Is that enough for ya?

I'll take it. Now I am just left waiting for the inevitable article about why Flacco and Freeman aren't living up to the early, media driven promise.

[bobblehead]

Guessing you havent watched many TB games, Freeman is a beast and doesn't have nearly the amount of talent that Flacco has around him.

I'm with you. Freeman has great poise whereas I think Flacco is WAY overrated. Flacco does NOT belong on this list if you ask me.

[Lurker64]

First, the show has a 'lifetime achievement award' element to it

You have to consider who is voting for the list: NFL players. Knowing NFL players, it's highly likely that they are in no way consistently applying any well-defined criterion for their selections. It's pretty much "that guy is really good". So some guys get in on the basis of a lifetime achievement award (McNabb, T.O.) while some guys get in on the basis of one really good year and and potentially a promising future (Babin, Raji).

[mraynrand]

Playoff success is based on team play and not the individual so your argument is weak there especially with the play Flacco has shown in the playoffs.

I believe I pointed out that he played poorly in the playoffs. That I think detracted from what typically leads players to rank someone higher - playoff experience. Did you not read that?

[mraynrand]

You have to consider who is voting for the list: NFL players. Knowing NFL players, it's highly likely that they are in no way consistently applying any well-defined criterion for their selections. It's pretty much "that guy is really good". So some guys get in on the basis of a lifetime achievement award (McNabb, T.O.) while some guys get in on the basis of one really good year and and potentially a promising future (Babin, Raji).

Sure, it's an opinion poll of NFL players. I don't put much stock in it. Many players have already admitted they don't pay close attention to watching other teams. In many ways, they are like many fans - forming opinions based on weak and incomplete evidence!

[mraynrand]

I'm with you. Freeman has great poise whereas I think Flacco is WAY overrated. Flacco does NOT belong on this list if you ask me.

I'd take Freeman in a second over Flacco right now.

[Smidgeon]

Apparently the Packers have 7 players in the Top 100, which is the most of any NFL team. I just wonder if they're tied for most and who has second.

My guesses:

Clifton
Collins
Raji
Jennings
Woodson
Matthews
Rodgers

And I think Tramon Williams is snubbed.

[pbmax]

Jennings is next to be revealed between 71 and 80. So we have:

Chad Clifton (99)
Nick Collins (96)
B.J. Raji (81)
Jennings (70 something)
Woodson (??)
Matthews (??)
Rodgers (11th)

Anyone think Williams gets the nod over Wood?

[Brandon494]

While Williams did have a better season I don't think there is anyway they rank him above Woodson.

[Patler]

Anyone know who picked the list?

Don't forget that Josh Sitton won the Offensive Lineman of the Year from the National Football League Alumni Association. That vote was by retired offensive linemen only. They voted him to be the top lineman in the entire league.

If Raji made it, Sitton should have a chance.

[channtheman]

If Raji made it on just 1-2 years of production, Matthews definitely did. Woodson will be in so I think we have already figured out the Packers that made it. It's a shame that Sitton and Williams will be snubbed.