Top 100 players running thread

[channtheman]

21	Harrison, James	     LB	Steelers	 
22	Gates, Antonio       TE	Chargers	 
23	Willis, Patrick	     LB	49ers	
24	White, Roddy	     WR	Falcons	 
25	Foster, Arian	     RB	Texans	 
26	Rivers, Philip	     QB	Chargers	
27	Johnson, Calvin      WR	Lions	
28	Long, Jake    	     T	Dolphins	 
29	Jackson, DeSean	     WR	Eagles	 
30	Jones-Drew, Maurice  RB Jaguars
31	Wayne, Reggie	     WR	Colts	
32	Hester, Devin	     WR	Bears	 
33	Charles, Jamaal	     RB	Chiefs	
34	Evans, Jahri	     T	Saints	 
35	Wilfork, Vince	     DT	Patriots	 
36	Witten, Jason	     TE	Cowboys	
37	Vilma, Jonathan	     LB	Saints	 
38	Jackson, Steven	     RB	Rams	 
39      Mankins, Logan	     G	Patriots	 
40	Suggs, Terrell	     LB	Ravens	 
41	Roethlisberger, Ben  QB	Steelers	
42	Turner, Michael	     RB	Falcons	 
43	Thomas, Joe	     T	Browns	 
44	Mathis, Robert	     DE	Colts	 
45	Bowe, Dwayne	     WR	Chiefs	 
46	Gonzalez, Tony	     TE	Falcons	
47	Mangold, Nick	     C	Jets	 
48	Bailey, Champ	     CB	Broncos	
49	Urlacher, Brian	     LB	Bears	 
50	Welker, Wes	     WR	Patriots

[Lurker64]

I'll take a shot at the top 11, off the top of my head.


Brady
Manning
Ware
Ngata
J. Thomas
T Polamalu
Chris Johnson
A Peterson
A Johnson
D Brees
A Rodgers

I'm pretty sure the top 20 are (in some order):

5 QBs: Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Vick
2 WRs: A. Johnson, Fitzgerald.
2 RBs: C. Johnson, Peterson
2 DEs: Peppers, Freeney
1 DT: Ngata
3 LBs: Ware, Lewis, Matthews.
3 CBs: Revis, Asomugha, Woodson
2 Ss: Polamalu, Reed.

That's 20.

[Smeefers]

I'm pretty sure the top 20 are (in some order):

5 QBs: Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Vick
2 WRs: A. Johnson, Fitzgerald.
2 RBs: C. Johnson, Peterson
2 DEs: Peppers, Freeney
1 DT: Ngata
3 LBs: Ware, Lewis, Matthews.
3 CBs: Revis, Asomugha, Woodson
2 Ss: Polamalu, Reed.

That's 20.

Holy wow. Please tell me you didn't just do that off the top of your head. Fantastic list.

[Lurker64]

I'm pretty sure the top 20 are (in some order):

5 QBs: Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Vick
2 WRs: A. Johnson, Fitzgerald.
2 RBs: C. Johnson, Peterson
2 DEs: Peppers, Freeney
1 DT: Ngata
3 LBs: Ware, Lewis, Matthews.
3 CBs: Revis, Asomugha, Woodson
2 Ss: Polamalu, Reed.

That's 20.

#20 Michael Vick (check)
#19 Clay Matthews (check)
#18 Nnamdi Asomugha (check)
#17 Haloti Ngata (check)
#16 Charles Woodson (check)
#15 Dwight Freeney (check)
#14 Larry Fitzgerald (check)
#13 Chris Johnson (check)
#12 DeMarcus Ware (check)
#11 Aaron Rodgers (check)

So the top 10 should be (in whatever order): Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Andre Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Julius Peppers, Ray Lewis, Darrelle Revis, Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed.

[Smidgeon]

Peter King finally finished presenting his Top 100 (just got back from vacation). The following is the complete lists, side by side (Players' on the left; King's on the right):

1	QB	Tom Brady	New England	QB	Tom Brady	New England
2	QB	Peyton Manning	Indianapolis	QB	Aaron Rodgers	Green Bay
3	RB	Adrian Peterson	Minnesota	QB	Peyton Manning	Indianapolis
4	LB	Ray Lewis	Baltimore	QB	Drew Brees	New Orleans
5	FS	Ed Reed		Baltimore	LB	DeMarcus Ware	Dallas
6	SS	Troy Polamalu	Pittsburgh	CB	Darrelle Revis	NY Jets
7	WR	Andre Johnson	Houston		QB	Ben Roethlisb.	Pittsburgh
8	CB	Darrelle Revis	NY Jets		CB	Nnamdi Asomugha	Oakland
9	QB	Drew Brees	New Orleans	WR	Andre Johnson	Houston
10	DE	Julius Peppers	Chicago		QB	Philip Rivers	San Diego
11	QB	Aaron Rodgers	Green Bay	LB	Clay Matthews	Green Bay
12	LB	DeMarcus Ware	Dallas		T	Jake Long	Miami
13	RB	Chris Johnson	Tennessee	WR	Larry Fitzg.	Arizona
14	WR	Larry Fitzg.	Arizona		DE/OLB	Terrell Suggs	Baltimore
15	DE	Dwight Freeney	Indianapolis	RB	Adrian Peterson	Minnesota
16	CB	Charles Woodson	Green Bay	CB	Tramon Williams	Green Bay
17	DT	Haloti Ngata	Baltimore	OLB	Tamba Hali	Kansas City
18	CB	Nnamdi Asomugha	Oakland		DE	Julius Peppers	Chicago
19	LB	Clay Matthews	Green Bay	QB	Michael Vick	Philadelphia
20	QB	Michael Vick	Philadelphia	WR	Calvin Johnson	Detroit
21	LB	James Harrison	Pittsburgh	RB	Chris Johnson	Tennessee
22	TE	Antonio Gates	San Diego	DT	Ndamukong Suh	Detroit
23	LB	Patrick Willis	San Francisco	LB	LaMarr Woodley	Pittsburgh
24	WR	Roddy White	Atlanta		DL	Justin Tuck	NY Giants
25	RB	Arian Foster	Houston		DT	Haloti Ngata	Baltimore
26	QB	Philip Rivers	San Diego	QB	Matt Ryan	Atlanta
27	WR	Calvin Johnson	Detroit		NT	Kyle Williams	Buffalo
28	T	Jake Long	Miami		LB	Lawrence Timm.	Pittsburgh
29	WR/PR	DeSean Jackson	Philadelphia	LB	Patrick Willis	San Francisco
30	RB	Maurice J-Drew	Jacksonville	DE	Dwight Freeney	Indianapolis
31	WR	Reggie Wayne	Indianapolis	LB	James Harrison	Pittsburgh
32	WR/PR	Devin Hester	Chicago		TE	Antonio Gates	San Diego
33	RB	Jamaal Charles	Kansas City	WR	Greg Jennings	Green Bay
34	G	Jahri Evans	New Orleans	DL	Vince Wilfork	New England
35	DL	Vince Wilfork	New England	DE	Trent Cole	Philadelphia
36	TE	Jason Witten	Dallas		WR/PR	DeSean Jackson	Philadelphia
37	LB	Jonathan Vilma	New Orleans	RB	Arian Foster	Houston
38	RB	Steve Jackson	St. Louis	LB	Cameron Wake	Miami
39	G	Logan Mankins	New England	WR	Vincent Jackson	San Diego
40	OLB/DE	Terrell Suggs	Baltimore	QB	Matt Schaub	Houston
41	QB	Ben Roethlisb.	Pittsburgh	G	Carl Nicks	New Orleans
42	RB	Michael Turner	Atlanta		LB	Bart Scott	NY Jets
43	T	Joe Thomas	Cleveland	RB	Jamaal Charles	Kansas City
44	DE	Robert Mathis	Indianapolis	WR	Mike Wallace	Pittsburgh
45	WR	Dwayne Bowe	Kansas City	DE	Justin Smith	San Francisco
46	TE	Tony Gonzalez	Atlanta		DE	Jared Allen	MInnesota
47	C	Nick Mangold	NY Jets		RB	Ray Rice	Baltimore
48	CB	Champ Bailey	Denver		TE	Jason Witten	Dallas
49	LB	Brian Urlacher	Chicago		LB	Brian Urlacher	Chicago
50	WR	Wes Welker	New England	SS	Troy Polamalu	Pittsburgh
51	DT	Ndamukong Suh	Detroit		LB	Jerod Mayo	New England
52	QB	Matt Ryan	Atlanta		T	Joe Thomas	Cleveland
53	WR	Marques Colston	New Orleans	RB	Steven Jackson	St. Louis
54	CB	Asante Samuel	Philadelphia	FS	Ed Reed		Baltimore
55	G	Carl Nicks	New Orleans	WR	Roddy White	Atlanta
56	RB	Ray Rice	Baltimore	G	Logan Mankins	New England
57	C	Andre Gurode	Dallas		CB	Charles Woodson	Green Bay
58	WR	Brandon Lloyd	Denver		RB	Peyton Hills	Cleveland
59	C	Jeff Saturday	Indianapolis	WR	Wes Welker	New England
60	DL	Justin Tuck	NY Giants	LB	Ray Lewis	Baltimore
61	WR	Brandon Marsh.	Miami		TE	Marcedes Lewis	Jacksonville
62	LB	Jerod Mayo	New England	CB	Champ Bailey	Denver
63	LB	Cameron Wake	Miami		NT	Aubrayo Frankl.	San Francisco
64	OLB	Tamba Hali	Kansas City	G	Davin Joseph	Tampa Bay
65	FB	Vontae Leach	Houston		P	Shane Lechler	Oakland
66	DT	Richard Seymour	Oakland		CB	Jabari Greer	New Orleans
67	G	Brian Waters	Kansas City	DT	Kevin Williams	Minnesota
68	S	Antrel Rolle	NY Giants	T	Andrew Whitw.	Cincinnati
69	DE	John Abraham	Atlanta		WR	Reggie Wayne	Indianapolis
70	WR	Miles Austin	Dallas		RB	LeSean McCoy	Philadelphia
71	DE	Mario Williams	Houston		OLB	Brian Orakpo	Washington
72	QB	Tony Romo	Dallas		DE	John Abraham	Atlanta
73	DE	Trent Cole	Philadelphia	G	Jahri Evans	New Orleans
74	WR	Greg Jennings	Green Bay	C	Maurkice Pounc.	Pittsburgh
75	DT	Jay Ratliff	Dallas		CB	Devin McCourty	New England
76	WR	Santonio Holmes	NY Jets		CB	Vontae Davis	Miami
77	G	Chris Snee	NY Giants	QB	Eli Manning	NY Giants
78	TE	Dallas Clark	Indianapolis	WR	Brandon Lloyd	Denver
79	T	D'Bri. Ferguson	NY Jets		WR	Santonio Holmes	NY Jets
80	DE	Jared Allen	Minnesota	DE	Robert Mathis	Indianapolis
81	DT	B.J. Raji	Green Bay	QB	Joe Flacco	Baltimore
82	OLB	LaMarr Woodley	Pittsburgh	G-T	Marshal Yanda	Baltimore
83	WR	Mike Williams	Tampa Bay	TE	J-Mike Finley	Green Bay
84	KR/WR	Josh Cribbs	Cleveland	DE	Elvis Dumervil	Denver
85	DE	Jason Babin	Tennessee	QB	Jay Cutler	Chicago
86	QB	Josh Freeman	Tampa Bay	WR	Brandon Marsh.	Miami
87	T	Jordan Gross	Carolina	CB	Joe Haden	Cleveland
88	TE	Vernon Davis	San Francisco	TE	Dallas Clark	Indianapolis
89	S	Adrian Wilson	Arizona		C	Nick Mangold	NY Jets
90	QB	Joe Flacco	Baltimore	QB	Josh Freeman	Tampa Bay
91	WR	Terrell Owens	Cincinnati	T	D'Bri. Ferguson	NY Jets
92	LB	Lance Briggs	Chicago		LB	Chad Greenway	Minnesota
93	S	Eric Berry	Kansas City	QB	Tony Romo	Dallas
94	RB	Frank Gore	San Francisco	WR	Stevie Johnson	Buffalo
95	LB	Jon Beason	Carolina	CB	Brent Grimes	Atlanta
96	S	Nick Collins	Green Bay	WR	Hines Ward	Pittsburgh
97	LB	Shaun Phillips	San Diego	QB	Sam Bradford	St. Louis
98	RB	Darren McFadden	Oakland		CB	Brandon Flowers	Kansas City
99	T	Chad Clifton	Green Bay	FS	Eric Weddle	San Diego
100	QB	Donovan McNabb	Washington	CB	Sam Shields	Green Bay

My thoughts on the comparisons between the lists:

1 Rodgers, Woodson, Matthews, and Jennings only Packers both had
2 Players had Raji, Collins, Clifton
3 King had Williams, Finley, and Shields
4 It seemed that King placed more value on present value (Finley and Shields) and the players more on "What you've already done" (Clifton).
5 For oversights, I think the Players were right to include Collins and Raji; I think King was right to include Finley. I'm unsure about Shields at this point, but King put him at #100. So he's borderline, as I think he should be.
6 King had all three GB CBs; Players had one
7 King had Jennings 41 places higher at #33
8 Players had Woodson 41 places higher, at #16
9 King's highest unranked Packer by the players was Williams at #16
10 Players' highest unranked Packer by King was Raji at #81
11 King had Pittsburgh with most at 8
12 Players had Green Bay with most at 7
13 Biggest difference: King had 4 more Steelers
14 Second biggest difference: King had three fewer Cowboys
15 King's highest unranked by the players was Williams at #16
16 Players' highest unranked by King was Jones-Drew at #30
17 Seattle didn't have a player on either list
18 King had 2 in Buffalo; Players had none
19 Players had 2 in Carolina; King had none
20 King had too many in Minnesota with 4. But he also didn't rank Hester at all, but I think that was because he put less value on returners who were ordinary in other categories
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21 Based on these lists, if subscribing to the Playmakers Theory, the Packers obstacles to a dynasty are Baltimore, Dallas, Indianapolis, Atlanta, KC, New England, and New Orleans from the players perspective and Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, Indianapolis, and the Jets from King's perspective
22 New England, Indianapolis, and Baltimore are the only teams (besides GB) who had more than 4 players on both lists
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23 Combining perspectives (i.e. total players on both lists), the Packers were the strongest team with Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy, and NE filling out the rest of the Top 5 (sounds about right, although Baltimore seems high).
24 Combining rankings (i.e. Top player gets 100 points, second 99, etc; adding all players' rankings together for one team), GB ranked #5 on the Players' list
25 Combining rankings, GB ranked #2 on King's list
26 Combining rankings, the players had Baltimore ranked first over Indy with the biggest gap in the rankings being between #2 and #3
27 Combining rankings, King had Pittsburgh ranked first with the biggest gap being between #4 and #5 (gap between #1 and #2 the third largest gap)
28 Combining perspectives of rankings, Baltimore was the strongest, followed by Green Bay, Pittsburgh, NE, and Indy (still don't quite get the Baltimore love)
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29 Pittsburgh had the biggest ranking advantage by King; Green Bay had the second--but it wasn't even close (201 to 94)
30 Indy had the largest loss in rankings by King; Dallas had the second
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Now back to your regularly scheduled, non-stats overkill football.

[pbmax]

King really put Williams up high after the players left him off the list.

[3irty1]

This top 100 players list by the players seems to be way out of base with actual performance on the field. I'd like to see one done by the fans.

The top 10 or so players could be chosen from each franchise, put into a database and two and a time could be randomly chosen for a given fan. That fan could quickly choose which player was better at their job and then get two more random players. Each fan decision could be recorded in the form of an ELO rating formula such that each player would eventually end up with a rating. Top 100 ratings = top 100 players.

I could make a script and a page for Mad for mad to host if this sounds interesting to people here.

[vince]

That sounds really interesting to me. If it were communicated well, it could gain some traffic and notoriety for the site.

[Smidgeon]

That sounds really interesting to me. If it were communicated well, it could gain some traffic and notoriety for the site.

Very much agree. I think it would be fascinating.

[HarveyWallbangers]

2 Players had Raji, Collins, Clifton
3 King had Williams, Finley, and Shields

I can see leaving off Clifton, but it's hard to trust a guy who leaves Collins off. Raji is pretty damn good also. Substitute Williams for Clifton, and I think you have the guys that deserve it for the Packers. Finley would be there on talent or projecting for this year, but the injuries leave him off. I'm not quite ready to say Shields is one of the best 100 players in the NFL (e.g. top 3 player on an average team). I could see him giving him an honorable mention, but I think King was trying to hard to be different there.

[3irty1]

Mad, would you host this? I'd probably make it to work with a flat file, you won't even have to mess with you SQL.

To do this it should be done right.

Should there be images of each player in the database for the user to see or just a name? If there are pictures, I'll ask for volunteers to help with the graphics. Either way we'll need some kind of input to figure out the top 10 players on each team.

[Smidgeon]

Mad, would you host this? I'd probably make it to work with a flat file, you won't even have to mess with you SQL.

To do this it should be done right.

Should there be images of each player in the database for the user to see or just a name? If there are pictures, I'll ask for volunteers to help with the graphics. Either way we'll need some kind of input to figure out the top 10 players on each team.

Personally, I don't think pictures are necessary. These would be the most well known players in the league. Pictures would make the idea more marketable (if trying to appeal to people outside PR), but would also make the whole thing take longer...

[3irty1]

Personally, I don't think pictures are necessary. These would be the most well known players in the league. Pictures would make the idea more marketable (if trying to appeal to people outside PR), but would also make the whole thing take longer...

Without the pictures I can have this done by the end of the week. You'd think there would be a football card site that we could easily wget pictures from.

[MadtownPacker]

Without the pictures I can have this done by the end of the week. You'd think there would be a football card site that we could easily wget pictures from.

I set you up with album permissions. Give it a try and if you want let everyone know what you think.

[SkinBasket]

Without the pictures I can have this done by the end of the week. You'd think there would be a football card site that we could easily wget pictures from.

Or a search engine which allows you to search for images... hmmm... if only such a thing existed. :-p