SOME COACHES ARE PAID WELL TOO; TOP 10

[hoosier]

According to the LA Times Carroll signed for $33M over 5 years, which means you could say he's really earning a bit less than 7 (6.6). His salary at SC was over 4M per year so I guess the Seahawks had to give him a big bump to get him to leave. There was also a rumor when they hired Carroll that Seattle was going to give him full control over personell as well as HC. Maybe he took the money instead.

[Tarlam!]

Can anyone justify Pete Carroll making 7 million per to me? It's not like his NFL head coaching resume is out of this world or anything. He may have won in college, but so what. Different dynamic, different game.

Justify? Nah. Speculaute? Sure, why not?

The 'hawk's owner is a self made billionaire that can afford to roll the dice. They have a problem at QB in particular, but, y'know? Carroll will likely get at least 2 more seasons to figure it all out.

[Pugger]

They have THE most important job in the world. They exchange pitchers. How else would i get my beer glass full?

[LP]

According to the LA Times Carroll signed for $33M over 5 years, which means you could say he's really earning a bit less than 7 (6.6). His salary at SC was over 4M per year so I guess the Seahawks had to give him a big bump to get him to leave. There was also a rumor when they hired Carroll that Seattle was going to give him full control over personell as well as HC. Maybe he took the money instead.

Get a big pay raise and off the incoming scandal hot seat in one fell swoop. Sure is a wonderful life.

[Tarlam!]

Get a big pay raise and off the incoming scandal hot seat in one fell swoop. Sure is a wonderful life.

Oh boy, if I were to guess, I would guess you're jealous. I have zero problem with you critizising the dude, but I'd have an issue with you identifying his is bigger than yours, and that's your entire issue.

[ThunderDan]

Oh boy, if I were to guess, I would guess you're jealous. I have zero problem with you critizising the dude, but I'd have an issue with you identifying his is bigger than yours, and that's your entire issue.

What are you tring to say? What is "bigger than yours"?

[Tarlam!]

Pissing distance.

[mraynrand]

I don't disagree that baseball managers have a less complex job than football coaches and that baseball culture doesn't breed as many big egos as basketball. But I disagree slightly with the metrics of comparison. I think the real question for comparing compensation isn't which sport places more demands on its coaches/managers; after all, the different sports don't pick from a common pool of potential hires. The real question is, how replaceable are the highly successful coaches/managers in each sport? Is a Tony LaRussa, Bobby Cox or Mike Scosia more replaceable than a Bill Bellichick, Bill Cowher or Andy Reid?

And maybe the answer to this question doesn't depend only on the respective talents of individual coaches, since outside of the large market/big spending teams like NYY, Boston and Philly, very few MLB teams can realistically hope to be contenders year in and year out. It doesn't matter if they are being managed by Earl Weaver or Walter Matthau: they're going to suck either way. Pro football, on the other hand, is much closer to parity and thus the market for what are perceived as good coaches is much more competitive.

I think coaches' salaries are probably based on what the market can bear. If revenues are higher, profits higher, salaries will be higher. The prospect of higher salaries might even draw more people to compete for the higher paying jobs too, even if the stress level and job performance requirements for football are higher than baseball.

Regarding the respective talent levels of the various coaches and managers, I can't say. When I watch baseball and the calls the managers have to make, in many ways it seems more difficult than football, but perhaps that's because I don't have a clue what pitch you have your RHP throw to the RHB - batting in the 3 spot - when there is a runner in scoring position when the count is 3-1. Seems there is a lot of nuance there - scouting reports, tendencies, etc. It's a mystery to me. Do managers just wing it, let the catcher, pitcher, and dugout manager figure it out, chew some more tobacco, or do they really sweat all those details?

[Guiness]

I think coaches' salaries are probably based on what the market can bear. If revenues are higher, profits higher, salaries will be higher. The prospect of higher salaries might even draw more people to compete for the higher paying jobs too, even if the stress level and job performance requirements for football are higher than baseball.

Regarding the respective talent levels of the various coaches and managers, I can't say. When I watch baseball and the calls the managers have to make, in many ways it seems more difficult than football, but perhaps that's because I don't have a clue what pitch you have your RHP throw to the RHB - batting in the 3 spot - when there is a runner in scoring position when the count is 3-1. Seems there is a lot of nuance there - scouting reports, tendencies, etc. It's a mystery to me. Do managers just wing it, let the catcher, pitcher, and dugout manager figure it out, chew some more tobacco, or do they really sweat all those details?

Some managers really try to line up batter/pitcher matchups, but it can really break the rythm

During the Blue Jays' World Series runs, Cito did a lot of pitcher shuffling. Not just bringing in relievers and stoppers, but sometimes trotting out a pitcher for a single matchup he wanted. I really found it broke things up, as multiple pitchers would take the mound, each making their warm-up pitches.

Watching Dave Steib or Roy Halladay pitch a 2:30h complete game, maybe with someone coming in for the 9th is a lot more to my liking.

[hoosier]

I think coaches' salaries are probably based on what the market can bear. If revenues are higher, profits higher, salaries will be higher. The prospect of higher salaries might even draw more people to compete for the higher paying jobs too, even if the stress level and job performance requirements for football are higher than baseball.

Regarding the respective talent levels of the various coaches and managers, I can't say. When I watch baseball and the calls the managers have to make, in many ways it seems more difficult than football, but perhaps that's because I don't have a clue what pitch you have your RHP throw to the RHB - batting in the 3 spot - when there is a runner in scoring position when the count is 3-1. Seems there is a lot of nuance there - scouting reports, tendencies, etc. It's a mystery to me. Do managers just wing it, let the catcher, pitcher, and dugout manager figure it out, chew some more tobacco, or do they really sweat all those details?

Pitch selection at the major league level is usually something the catcher and pitcher work out between them. In-game managerial strategy used to be more complicated back in the day when teams called bunts, hit and runs and stole bases. Now for the most part it's deciding who to rest, when to pinch hit or pull a pitcher.

No doubt managerial salaries are based on the market, but what determines the market? Profitability is surely one element to the extent that profit margin is a primary concern for owners. But so is what other teams are willing to pay for comparables. And if most teams aren't willing to break the bank for a top flight manager because the existing salary culture prevents them from fielding a contending team on a consistent basis (that's just my hypothesis, not a fact claim) then managerial salaries might be lower than other sports in which most teams can hope to be competitive while still maintaining an average payroll.

[Guiness]

Particularly when it comes to baseball, Hoosier, I think modern manager's most important job is to act like diplomats from the League of Nations.

Trying to keep expectations and egos in check, and keep everyone happy without satisfying anyone.

[get louder at lambeau]

Particularly when it comes to baseball, Hoosier, I think modern manager's most important job is to act like diplomats from the League of Nations.

Trying to keep expectations and egos in check, and keep everyone happy without satisfying anyone.

Like a stripper.

[mraynrand]

No doubt managerial salaries are based on the market, but what determines the market? Profitability is surely one element to the extent that profit margin is a primary concern for owners. But so is what other teams are willing to pay for comparables. And if most teams aren't willing to break the bank for a top flight manager because the existing salary culture prevents them from fielding a contending team on a consistent basis (that's just my hypothesis, not a fact claim) then managerial salaries might be lower than other sports in which most teams can hope to be competitive while still maintaining an average payroll.

I think you're right on the money.

[Guiness]

Like a stripper.

See? That's the kind of innovation that would bring me back to baseball.

Maybe Morgana could become a manager? She's been around baseball long enough, and has some experience running around the field.

[mraynrand]

^^^^^