Plaxico Burress - Newest result of black salvation...

[th87]

It became a race issue when the Skinster identified it as such.

Also, from the article:

"It was a tragic accident," Burress said at the National Urban League's headquarters in Manhattan. "I have paid a tremendous price for a bad decision. I say to myself all those 20 months and all those days [in prison], how can I take the next step and how can people learn from what happened to me?"

"If I can just help a child to think about the decision of carrying a firearm or not to carry one out of the home, he or she may save lives in itself," Burress continued. "You can make a mistake and you can be a better person from it and along the way bring people with you."

Wearing a suit and tie and talking without any script or notes, Burress seemed genuine, sincere and humbled and said he spoke from the heart.

The words in bold seem like he's taking responsibility for making a bad decision.

As far as the language of "accident", it was - he didn't try to shoot himself. "Tragic" might not be the totally appropriate word, but it's not like he's paid to be a wordsmith. And if we replace the statement, "learn from what happened to me," with "learn from what I did," it loses some meaning because that would only describe his actions on the night of the shooting, rather than the totality of what transpired from the shooting to his release. And this totality is what he's likely trying to convey.

This isn't some cute way to avoid responsibility. Nobody speaks with lawyer-like precision, so I don't see why you're taking lawyer glasses to his statements.

In my opinion, I just think you enjoy being (faux?) outraged. And have found things to validate your preconceived viewpoints. I remember that video with the kid getting the fake Christmas present or whatever got you in a huff about black people in general, and here, it looks like you're reading what you want to read in an effort to bolster the assumption that black people don't take responsibility for their actions. Beware of the monster called confirmation bias.

[Scott Campbell]

It became a race issue when the Skinster identified it as such.

Also, from the article:



The words in bold seem like he's taking responsibility for making a bad decision.

A bad decision? As in one??????

Really?????

[Zool]

The words in bold seem like he's taking responsibility for making a bad decision.

As far as the language of "accident", it was - he didn't try to shoot himself. "Tragic" might not be the totally appropriate word, but it's not like he's paid to be a wordsmith. And if we replace the statement, "learn from what happened to me," with "learn from what I did," it loses some meaning because that would only describe his actions on the night of the shooting, rather than the totality of what transpired from the shooting to his release. And this totality is what he's likely trying to convey.

This isn't some cute way to avoid responsibility. Nobody speaks with lawyer-like precision, so I don't see why you're taking lawyer glasses to his statements.

In my opinion, I just think you enjoy being (faux?) outraged. And have found things to validate your preconceived viewpoints. I remember that video with the kid getting the fake Christmas present or whatever got you in a huff about black people in general, and here, it looks like you're reading what you want to read in an effort to bolster the assumption that black people don't take responsibility for their actions. Beware of the monster called confirmation bias.

He still felt the need to say "you can make a mistake" instead of "I was a fucking moron". I'm not so sure this guy doesn't have the same PR people as the rest of them. Every one of them admit as little as possible.

As to the sentence being over the top, its NY state law. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[SkinBasket]

I have paid a tremendous price for a bad decision.

Maybe you didn't notice the words right before your example of his "responsibility taking." The part where he portrays himself as a victim, having suffered great loss. Or the part where he uses the indefinite article "a" instead of "my." Wordsmith or no, these are avoidance of responsibility at all cost. I had a guy I worked with who would pull this shit all the time, walking out of the one shared bathroom our offices had, stating, "the toilet got plugged." At least he wasn't cowardly enough to call it an "tragic accident" or yabber about the tremendous price he had paid.

You can make a mistake and you can be a better person from it

Again, your example fails you miserably. "You" can make a mistake? You? How about "I made a mistake?" More passive voice, second person perspective, and nominative verbiage to avoid being the subject at hand. You're right, it's not a "cute way to avoid responsibility," it's a complete and total abandonment of his personal identity to avoid responsibility and accountability. Frankly, if you think there's anything approaching accountability or responsibility in his language, you're trying waaaaaaaaay too hard to read it in. Or you're just an idiot willing to buy into Plaxico's false redemption that obviously he doesn't even believe in.

In my opinion, I just think you enjoy being (faux?) outraged. And have found things to validate your preconceived viewpoints. I remember that video with the kid getting the fake Christmas present or whatever got you in a huff about black people in general, and here, it looks like you're reading what you want to read in an effort to bolster the assumption that black people don't take responsibility for their actions. Beware of the monster called confirmation bias.

Maybe you're right. Black people and white people are exactly the same. Same experiences. Same outlooks. Same notions. Same beliefs. Same politics. Same social behavior. Same interests. Same sense of humor.

I'm the one reading too much into things... thinking black people are any different than white people... generally. Or it could be that your preconceived viewpoints don't allow you to examine my viewpoint from a fair or unbiased position. But that would be ridiculous compared to your theory of racial parity.

[Cheesehead Craig]

[Brandon494]

Maybe you're right. Black people and white people are exactly the same. Same experiences. Same outlooks. Same notions. Same beliefs. Same politics. Same social behavior. Same interests. Same sense of humor.

Nice sarcasm but you can say that about anyone, has nothing to do with race.

[SkinBasket]

Nice sarcasm but you can say that about anyone, has nothing to do with race.

So each person is a unique snowflake, totally unaffected by race?

Wasn't it you who told me I would never understand because I wasn't a black man?

[th87]

Maybe you didn't notice the words right before your example of his "responsibility taking." The part where he portrays himself as a victim, having suffered great loss. Or the part where he uses the indefinite article "a" instead of "my." Wordsmith or no, these are avoidance of responsibility at all cost. I had a guy I worked with who would pull this shit all the time, walking out of the one shared bathroom our offices had, stating, "the toilet got plugged." At least he wasn't cowardly enough to call it an "tragic accident" or yabber about the tremendous price he had paid.

I will choose not to judge his remorse based on his use of articles and grammatical voice, because I don't know how he expresses himself verbally. The bottom line for me is that he's trying to do better and LOOKS like he's genuine and sincere. Good enough for me right now.

And he didn't pay a price? He got a hole in his thigh and lost his football prime, tons of money, and his freedom. He paid more of a price than you or I did. For what boils down to ultimately a dumb decision rather than a malicious act. So no, I was never THAT outraged by any of this (except that he cost me my fantasy league), and if he appears to have grown from his dumb decision-making, that's awesome.

So did your coworker look remorseful for leaving the toilet in ruins?

Again, your example fails you miserably. "You" can make a mistake? You? How about "I made a mistake?" More passive voice, second person perspective, and nominative verbiage to avoid being the subject at hand. You're right, it's not a "cute way to avoid responsibility," it's a complete and total abandonment of his personal identity to avoid responsibility and accountability. Frankly, if you think there's anything approaching accountability or responsibility in his language, you're trying waaaaaaaaay too hard to read it in. Or you're just an idiot willing to buy into Plaxico's false redemption that obviously he doesn't even believe in.

Again, his use of grammar is not something I pay much attention to. And I certainly wouldn't read all that into a blurb of that length.

And neither you or I have any idea what he does or doesn't believe. All you're doing is using his grammatical voice (while ignoring other things), and your biases regarding black people to formulate an opinion about his motivation.

Maybe you're right. Black people and white people are exactly the same. Same experiences. Same outlooks. Same notions. Same beliefs. Same politics. Same social behavior. Same interests. Same sense of humor.

I'm the one reading too much into things... thinking black people are any different than white people... generally. Or it could be that your preconceived viewpoints don't allow you to examine my viewpoint from a fair or unbiased position. But that would be ridiculous compared to your theory of racial parity.

Wow, poor strawman. You really kicked the shit out of him.

[th87]

So each person is a unique snowflake, totally unaffected by race?

Not what's being said. I just disagree that a person's behavior is a result of their race. Like the fake Christmas present mom. Her behavior is the result of her being a bitch - not a result of her being black.

[SkinBasket]

I will choose not to judge his remorse based on his use of articles and grammatical voice, because I don't know how he expresses himself verbally. The bottom line for me is that he's trying to do better and LOOKS like he's genuine and sincere. Good enough for me right now.

You do realize words spelled out with letters are representations of verbal expression, right? But you looked into his eyes... errr... sorry, a picture of his eyes... and saw his soul. Good for you.

And he didn't pay a price? He got a hole in his thigh and lost his football prime, tons of money, and his freedom. He paid more of a price than you or I did. For what boils down to ultimately a dumb decision rather than a malicious act. So no, I was never THAT outraged by any of this (except that he cost me my fantasy league), and if he appears to have grown from his dumb decision-making, that's awesome.

He paid a price for his own actions. No one else's. He paid more of a price than "you or me" because I haven't shot myself with an unregistered firearm in a place where they are prohibited. I'll assume you haven't either. It's the result that matters, not the intention. And again, if you believe from his language he's grown from this, you're either illiterate or willingly stupid.

Again, his use of grammar is not something I pay much attention to. And I certainly wouldn't read all that into a blurb of that length.

How many more examples do you need? Pathetic.

And neither you or I have any idea what he does or doesn't believe. All you're doing is using his grammatical voice (while ignoring other things), and your biases regarding black people to formulate an opinion about his motivation.

Pathetic. I have an idea what he believes from his own words. You don't because you're an idiot or because you have ghey butt lust for Plaxico. What am I ignoring? Your desperate apologist excuses for his actual literal words? I don't have a bias. I have a theory based on evidence. You are ignoring his entire interview, all fact, all evidence, in lieu of your own free-base interpretation of what he must have meant - according to your biases.

Wow, poor strawman. You really kicked the shit out of him.

It's your strawman, dummy. I just make do with what you give me, which isn't much, sadly.

[SkinBasket]

I just disagree that a person's behavior is a result of their race.

You and Harlan should be working together on Project Utopia.

[th87]

You do realize words spelled out with letters are representations of verbal expression, right? But you looked into his eyes... errr... sorry, a picture of his eyes... and saw his soul. Good for you.



He paid a price for his own actions. No one else's. He paid more of a price than "you or me" because I haven't shot myself with an unregistered firearm in a place where they are prohibited. I'll assume you haven't either. It's the result that matters, not the intention. And again, if you believe from his language he's grown from this, you're either illiterate or willingly stupid.



How many more examples do you need? Pathetic.



Pathetic. I have an idea what he believes from his own words. You don't because you're an idiot or because you have ghey butt lust for Plaxico. What am I ignoring? Your desperate apologist excuses for his actual literal words? I don't have a bias. I have a theory based on evidence. You are ignoring his entire interview, all fact, all evidence, in lieu of your own free-base interpretation of what he must have meant - according to your biases.



It's your strawman, dummy. I just make do with what you give me, which isn't much, sadly.

1. So anybody who doesn't agree with you is either an idiot, illiterate, or wants Plaxican buttsechs. Gotcha.

2. It's time to brush up on the concept of strawman fallacies.

3. I'm sorry you're upset.

[th87]

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGvh...eature=related

2:56 and on:

"I was reckless, I made a very bad decision."

"I got myself into this situation, and I gotta deal with the consequences for that...I got myself in this situation by a lack of judgment."


2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkQDCpaTkJ8

"[Anger at] myself. Because I was the person that took that risk and chose to carry that firearm that night."

That sounds suspiciously like taking responsibility for what he did. Of course, I don't expect you to see it that way, because at no point in the video does he turn not-black.

[Brandon494]

So each person is a unique snowflake, totally unaffected by race?

Wasn't it you who told me I would never understand because I wasn't a black man?

And what was the topic when I said that?

[SkinBasket]

1. So anybody who doesn't agree with you is either an idiot, illiterate, or wants Plaxican buttsechs. Gotcha.

2. It's time to brush up on the concept of strawman fallacies.

3. I'm sorry you're upset.

1. Given the evidence at hand, yeah, pretty much.

2. Brush me up. I'm waiting.

3. No one's upset. I made a point you've been unable to refute, so you've resorted to calling me a racist. It's just not very clever.