UNOFFICIAL Salary Cap Thread

[Lurker64]

That's a big smokin' number for Hawk at the top of the list.

Have to think that gets negotiated down to something more reasonable, although after his performance after Barnett got hurt, it's no longer a slam dunk that they cut him.

He might even get paid that money and extended if they don't need the money elsewhere, making him cheaper for the next 5 years or so.

Did you forget that, all the way back in March before the lockout, the Packers did cut Hawk and then immediately resigned him to a 5 year deal worth $30m-$35m?

[MadScientist]

With the new calculation of the floor, will the signing bonuses paid before the official start of the NFL year actually count toward the minimum spent, or to the cap at all?

[KYPack]

Great job, Vince.

The Hawk and Bishop number will be a lot less for '11. You get to amortize the roster and signing bonuses. Hawk should be about 3 million for his bonus and salary for '11 and Bishop should come in at about 2.5 million. So you reduce the overall number from the just under 20 million to 5.5 - 6 million for the two ILB's.

[retailguy]

Great job, Vince.

The Hawk and Bishop number will be a lot less for '11. You get to amortize the roster and signing bonuses. Hawk should be about 3 million for his bonus and salary for '11 and Bishop should come in at about 2.5 million. So you reduce the overall number from the just under 20 million to 5.5 - 6 million for the two ILB's.

I thought you just amortized the signing bonus? Aren't roster bonuses counted in the year that they are paid? I think Ted used this tool a number of times to eat up cap money in the current year, during the past 5 years...

[KYPack]

I thought you just amortized the signing bonus? Aren't roster bonuses counted in the year that they are paid? I think Ted used this tool a number of times to eat up cap money in the current year, during the past 5 years...

Yeah, yer right. The SB gets amortized over the term of the contract. so Hawk is 8 mil over 5 years or 1.6 mil/yr. The rostrer bonus hits in the year you make the roster (duh). Hawk's '11 number is 5 mil, Bishop's is just under 3. So 8 mil, not almost 20 mil for '11.

Bulaga and Tramon Williams '11 number is also lower than listed in the table.

[retailguy]

Yeah, yer right. The SB gets amortized over the term of the contract. so Hawk is 8 mil over 5 years or 1.6 mil/yr. The rostrer bonus hits in the year you make the roster (duh). Hawk's '11 number is 5 mil, Bishop's is just under 3. So 8 mil, not almost 20 mil for '11.

Bulaga and Tramon Williams '11 number is also lower than listed in the table.

I figured that the number had to be higher. I still don't think he'll spend it on the guys that vince thought were gone, I think they're gone too, but it's good to know that we have enough money to pay scrabble..... lol (like that'd ever happen!)

[bobblehead]

I think chillar makes the roster at that number. I kinda hate Wynn so I think either Harrell or Guy make the team....likely Guy cuz he will still be upright. I have already stated that I think Grant is gone, but I'm not sure who the #3 is. Not sure who they resign of their own. Someone will pay college too much. Someone will pay Jenkins WAY too much.

I think we have a shot at Jones and Jackson. I also think Bigby will come back if he passes a physical...just to torment skin of no other reason.

[Joemailman]

Anybody else think there's a really good chance that Jenkins, Barnett and Jones could end up facing the Packers twice a year in the NFCN?

[Lurker64]

I think chillar makes the roster at that number. I kinda hate Wynn so I think either Harrell or Guy make the team....likely Guy cuz he will still be upright. I have already stated that I think Grant is gone, but I'm not sure who the #3 is. Not sure who they resign of their own. Someone will pay college too much. Someone will pay Jenkins WAY too much.

I think we have a shot at Jones and Jackson. I also think Bigby will come back if he passes a physical...just to torment skin of no other reason.

Of all our defensive linemen excepting Jenkins, Wynn is the most natural pass rusher. Neal and Raji profit greatly from their freakish physical attributes, while Wynn makes up for it with technique. His problem is that he's just not big enough, strong enough, or physical enough to be at least average at the "hold the point" part of his job. If he spent the offseason lifting, and got significantly bigger and stronger he's a shoe-in to make the roster. Hopefully he'll do this, since he should know his job is hinging on this. Though, it does make sense to have him and Wynn alternate the "healthy scratch" DL position since one is much better suited to playing the run and the other is much better suited to playing the pass.) I really don't think Guy makes the roster barring an injury or a miracle. They keep drafting late round DL to be their developmental PS guy, and then playing them so much that they lose their PS eligibility. I think this is the year that we actually let the PS 5-tech start the year on the practice squad. Unless, of course, we bring in a 5-tech as a UDFA (like Brandon Bair out of Oregon).

I think they let Grant play out his contract at that number, and hope to get big production out of him since he's playing in a contract year. With the lockout situation, no way you get Green's head deep enough in the playbook so that you can play him before midseason. We can afford Grant, and you're unlikely find a situation where a guy will work harder to succeed than the one Grant is in: coming off an injury, in a career year, looking at an arbitrary age-threshold at which people assume you can't play your position anymore. Grant, Starks, and Green should be our 1-3. I don't think Jackson comes back unless he's cheap, and I think the same is true of Jones.

Colledge is probably gone, Jenkins is definitely gone.

As for the fourth safety, three positions are spoken for (assuming Burnett is recovered by the start of camp) and as much as I like some of the undrafted safeties (I'd love to get Joe Lefeged) the fourth guy has got to be a veteran. Whether that's Anthony Smith, or Atari Bigby, or Anthony Levine there's no way of knowing.

[MadScientist]

Anybody else think there's a really good chance that Jenkins, Barnett and Jones could end up facing the Packers twice a year in the NFCN?

The Bears have been linked to Jenkins, and I'd be surprised if they didn't go after Jones. Not sure who is the match for Barnett.

With a couple of ex-packers, at least the Bears can get a good look at a real Super Bowl champions ring.

[Tarlam!]

It's been a policy of TT's to use roster bonuses rather than signing bonuses. I vividly recall reading about it, but that's half a decade ago, so please don't ask me for a source. That way, he tries to avoid future cap hell scenarios like the one Sherman left him in. I also seem to recall that TT uses left over cap money to reward players in year

I wonder if Brandt was ignored by Sherman and the architect or if TT brought that concept with him.

[Scott Campbell]

I think the Collins number is wrong. It doesn't reflect his recent extension.

"Collins signed a three-year extension worth $23.4 million and will pay him $14 million in the first year. The extension comes just days after Collins agreed to sign his restricted free agent tender of $3.3 million as a goodwill gesture aimed at advancing negotiations toward a long-term deal."



I suppose it could be right if his guaranteed money was entirely a roster bonus from last year.

[Scott Campbell]

Barnett's signing bonus was for $5.1M on a 6 year deal that expires after the 2012 season. So he should have $850K of signing bonus to account for against the 2011 cap, or $1.7M of dead money if they cut him.

Unless I'm wrong.

[Scott Campbell]

I think Ryan Grant's salary doesn't necessarily have him on the bubble, but it merits watching.

[Scott Campbell]

I can't find any good detail that includes the exact breakout of the guaranteed money on the Rodgers contract. The spreadsheet would seem to indicate that it was 100% roster bonus, with no signing bonus.