Jolly

[gbgary]

saw this news on a tweet this morning. disappointing to say the least.

[MadScientist]

Makes me wonder if the Packers concern about Jolly weren't really about the kinds of people he was hanging out with, but with the kinds of drugs he was using.

According to JSOnline, the drug was codine again, and the tampering was trying to hide it. 100% dumb ass. Yes addiction is a disease, but not getting proper treatment and sticking to it when the disease is causing you to throw your life away is the sign of a dumb ass.

[red]

Busted yet again this weekend, this time for possession and "tampering with evidence" (knowing Jolly's drug preferences, that probably means drinking it). I suppose this means we can put the "When does Jolly get reinstated?" questions to bed for good. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/130967613.html

GOD DAMNIT

what is with this guy?

cut the cord with this asshole

[Guiness]

I guess the 'faint hope' clause some of us were holding on to with this guy is done.

It was said earlier in the thread, this is really too sad, you can't help but feel bad for this guy. He sure didn't come off as a hard case, was actually very quiet while he was in GB player. It seems like he's either got a bad addiction and/or does not have the willpower to say no. I would guess friends and family are being the opposite of supportive. The guy was oh-so close to a lucrative second contract. I wonder why the team never got him help? They might have tried and we just never heard about it.

[Guiness]

GOD DAMNIT

what is with this guy?

cut the cord with this asshole

Asshole? I don't see it. He has an addiction, and couldn't/wouldn't get the help he needed.

I'm probably softer on this because I've seen something similar first hand. I know someone who had an accident on his bicycle as a teenager, and ended up in the hospital getting plastic surgery - more than 10 sessions. Came out with a painkiller addiction (morphine and demerol) and turned to soft drugs as a replacement. Luckily it didn't go farther, and he was able to control it. He was more lucky than good in not getting caught, because he was doing some small time selling for a while but never got caught. Plus, we don't have a 'war on drugs' in Canada, so it didn't cause the problems it could have.

Jolly was a defensive linemen, those guys and many other football players live with pain every day, the most recent example is the book about Walter Payton. And let's not forget Favre. The difference with Jolly seems to be that he's real good at getting caught.

[mraynrand]

The difference with Jolly seems to be that he's real good at getting caught.

And maybe that he's really, really hooked. God help him if he is. God help him anyway.

[hoosier]

Asshole? I don't see it. He has an addiction, and couldn't/wouldn't get the help he needed.

I'm probably softer on this because I've seen something similar first hand. I know someone who had an accident on his bicycle as a teenager, and ended up in the hospital getting plastic surgery - more than 10 sessions. Came out with a painkiller addiction (morphine and demerol) and turned to soft drugs as a replacement. Luckily it didn't go farther, and he was able to control it. He was more lucky than good in not getting caught, because he was doing some small time selling for a while but never got caught. Plus, we don't have a 'war on drugs' in Canada, so it didn't cause the problems it could have.

Jolly was a defensive linemen, those guys and many other football players live with pain every day, the most recent example is the book about Walter Payton. And let's not forget Favre. The difference with Jolly seems to be that he's real good at getting caught.

Don't disagree. And excellent use of the past tense.

[Guiness]

Don't disagree. And excellent use of the past tense.

Yes, was a defensive lineman, but any pain associated with it probably doesn't go away. Again, to look at a notable example, like Payton, according to the book he continued to use Vicodin and Tylenol (so, codeine...) in retirement. Could have been an addiction, or pain that didn't go away when he stopped playing.

My older boy is coming to an age when football starts to get serious, and I'm not sure how excited I am about him playing, especially if they're going to be at a position that will get them banged up every play. I played into university, but was lean and fast, played CB and free safety. My older boy is thicker and lacks the foot speed, so would probably be a fullback or LB. I loved it, and escaped serious injury, would he? I wonder how some of my former teammates are doing. I know some of them chewed Tylenol's during games and at practice.

edit:
Wow, reading that back reminded me - I came pretty close to something serious. Was getting bad headaches and soreness in fall camp. I thought it was from the hitting and two-a-days. I took some Tylenol 3's. Headaches didn't go away, I soldiered through as much as I could. Collapsed on the way to the bathroom one night, my roommates threw me into the car and took me to the hospital. Turns out I had meningitis, spent 2-3 weeks in the hospital. Obviously, it wasn't the football that caused the problem, but the pain killers put me in a bad spot.

[pbmax]

Wow, reading that back reminded me - I came pretty close to something serious. Was getting bad headaches and soreness in fall camp. I thought it was from the hitting and two-a-days. I took some Tylenol 3's. Headaches didn't go away, I soldiered through as much as I could. Collapsed on the way to the bathroom one night, my roommates threw me into the car and took me to the hospital. Turns out I had meningitis, spent 2-3 weeks in the hospital. Obviously, it wasn't the football that caused the problem, but the pain killers put me in a bad spot.

Meningitis has become more common at Universities in the States, too. Every year there are stories of people who were fine, felt ill for a couple of days and then were in serious trouble. The worst cases are obviously the ones that did not seek treatment quickly. Its bacterial meningitis, if memory serves.

[smuggler]

Stuff like that takes a toll on your body in the long term, both football and codeine. Yet one is restricted and one is idolized.

[Guiness]

Meningitis has become more common at Universities in the States, too. Every year there are stories of people who were fine, felt ill for a couple of days and then were in serious trouble. The worst cases are obviously the ones that did not seek treatment quickly. Its bacterial meningitis, if memory serves.

It wasn't all that common back then, and I was somewhat lucky it was diagnosed, because the doctors in emerg were certainly not looking for it. All I remember is being woozy and in pain, getting rushed into a room and shortly after being told to grab my ankles! (a spinal tap before the snide comments start). I had been in another city on co-op placement, and about the time I came down with it there was an outbreak there - there were 5-6 deaths IIRC.

[red]

Asshole? I don't see it. He has an addiction, and couldn't/wouldn't get the help he needed.

I'm probably softer on this because I've seen something similar first hand. I know someone who had an accident on his bicycle as a teenager, and ended up in the hospital getting plastic surgery - more than 10 sessions. Came out with a painkiller addiction (morphine and demerol) and turned to soft drugs as a replacement. Luckily it didn't go farther, and he was able to control it. He was more lucky than good in not getting caught, because he was doing some small time selling for a while but never got caught. Plus, we don't have a 'war on drugs' in Canada, so it didn't cause the problems it could have.

Jolly was a defensive linemen, those guys and many other football players live with pain every day, the most recent example is the book about Walter Payton. And let's not forget Favre. The difference with Jolly seems to be that he's real good at getting caught.

see, but he's not doing it because he's in pain. if he was then he would be popping prescription pills not cough medicine. him and his buddies are doing this for the nice buzz

he got caught and put on probation, he gets caught again before his probation ends, then gets caught again before his court case for the previous offense. i got no sympathy for that kind of stupidity

not only did he flush his career down the shitter, he also let down all his teamates and fans