J-Mike's Verbal Orgasm

[Zool]

Name one ex-Packer that hasn't ever go to the Vikings.

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[RashanGary]

Jmike's main point here is he's worked really hard on becoming a dominant pass catcher, he believes he's one of the best in the entire NFL and the Packers are going to use him not because he says so, but because he's dominant.

To his credit, the last time he said he was going to dominate, he did. I tend to believe him.


Now as far as blocking goes. He's always given good effort. He's thinner, but not lighter. That means he's stronger. He's one of the tough guys on the team. He's going to block his heart out when he's asked to block.


Thing is, asking JF to block a lot is like asking Clay Matthews to drop into coverage alot. It's just stupid. So, yeah, he's right. They're going to stand him up. When he said it, he said it because he knows they won't have a choice once they get him on the field.

[pbmax]

Some TEs under 250 lbs or who had no use for blocking much of anything: Kellen Winslow(HOF), Ozzie Newsome(HOF) and Keith Jackson(All-Pro). And Dallas Clark, Jay Novacek, Brett Jones, Todd Christensen, Paul Coffman, Chris Cooley, and Shannon Sharpe.

And TEs who block from a 3 point stance must block DEs and OLBs. Not just small LBs or DBs, Heck, even Jennings blocks DBs.

But his weight isn't keeping him from blocking them. There are other TEs doing fine around 245-250 (Jason Witten is 257). His willingness is really the big question.

The next questions are his role and durability. I don't care about his comments to a reporter, or more precisely, I care about them far less than his willingness to listen to his coaches and perform his assigned task. So far he seems to have done that. The question about his weight and its affect on his durability and his stance, we will soon see.

Favre used to play this game every year too. Sometimes I thought it was an excuse for being out of shape. But Finley may discover that the weight does not work out well for him over the long season (as Favre did the year he was over 240). As far as Gates, I don't watch much of him except highlights and he seems to have gotten very heavy.

[pbmax]

Especially mentioned in draft reports on TE and RB is their ability, or lack of it, to block. Ideally, they can do it all, because defenses have one more possibility they have to account for.

Frankly, I prefer the old "any way I can help the team win, I'll do what I'm asked" type player - no matter how boring it is to read. It's the beginning of the end when players start telling coaches how they should be implemented. A notable exception is Charles Woodsen when he was publicly dismayed over how Capers was using him. Somehow, I imagine a constuctive talk between Chuck and Dom to be a different animal than JF and McAdoo.

My bold. Would you feel better Tar if I told you that 50% of the people who told you that were lying?

[Zool]

My bold. Would you feel better Tar if I told you that 50% of the people who told you that were lying?

I might even put that number a little higher.

[pbmax]

I might even put that number a little higher.

Probably. And the same goes for "Its not about the money."

[MJZiggy]

Probably. And the same goes for "Its not about the money."

And there's "it happens to everyone" too!

[bobblehead]

Thing is, asking JF to block a lot is like asking Clay Matthews to drop into coverage alot. It's just stupid. So, yeah, he's right. They're going to stand him up. When he said it, he said it because he knows they won't have a choice once they get him on the field.

I disagree (more on the JF point). If a team is in the dime and we have JF and the new Hback in the game he needs to damn well block. If he can get on an LB and move him out of the play it allows the OL to double team a DL. Now we are down to fullbacks on Dbacks and such...a very successful recipe for the run game. However if he can't block in said scenario we might as well have a faster wide reciever on the field to match up with the dime.

[bobblehead]

And there's "it happens to everyone" too!

but if you are in it for the money, you are almost obligated to say "it happens to everyone" so you didn't really need to tie those 2 together that way.

[Fritz]

And there's "it happens to everyone" too!

And don't forget the infamous "It's not you; it's me."

[Patler]

This has gotten off track, in my opinion. Finley is a relatively poor blocker at any weight. He has improved some, but he is not and never will be Bubba Franks in that regard. No big deal.

What bothers me a bit is this: He apparently decided on his own to lose weight even though he believes the coaches will not like it. The reasons they may not like it can have as much to do with him as a receiver as it does blocking. Maybe they think he needs the weight to work against linebackers. Who knows? It really doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that he took it upon himself to do something that he thinks the coaches won't like. That is just plain dumb.

It really doesn't even matter if the coaches do or don't like it. What matters is that he THINKS they won't like it, but went ahead and did it anyway.

[pbmax]

It might not make any practical difference, but I took away from that article that he thought they wouldn't like him in more two point stances. Ultimately, weight is a harder measure to manage for a coach than position and stance. So I tend to agree that his urge to play more wideout will be the initial cause of conflict regardless of weight or blocking.

BTW, he seems to think that the packer took two blocking TEs in the draft. He might want to double check if/when he gets into town on Saturday.

[Brandon494]

This has gotten off track, in my opinion. Finley is a relatively poor blocker at any weight. He has improved some, but he is not and never will be Bubba Franks in that regard. No big deal.

What bothers me a bit is this: He apparently decided on his own to lose weight even though he believes the coaches will not like it. The reasons they may not like it can have as much to do with him as a receiver as it does blocking. Maybe they think he needs the weight to work against linebackers. Who knows? It really doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that he took it upon himself to do something that he thinks the coaches won't like. That is just plain dumb.

It really doesn't even matter if the coaches do or don't like it. What matters is that he THINKS they won't like it, but went ahead and did it anyway.

Exactly how much weigh did he lose? 5 pounds? You think coaches like when players come to camp over weight? It happens all the time. You always have to make a big deal over nothing when it comes to Finley.

[bobblehead]

This has gotten off track, in my opinion. Finley is a relatively poor blocker at any weight. He has improved some, but he is not and never will be Bubba Franks in that regard. No big deal.

What bothers me a bit is this: He apparently decided on his own to lose weight even though he believes the coaches will not like it. The reasons they may not like it can have as much to do with him as a receiver as it does blocking. Maybe they think he needs the weight to work against linebackers. Who knows? It really doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that he took it upon himself to do something that he thinks the coaches won't like. That is just plain dumb.

It really doesn't even matter if the coaches do or don't like it. What matters is that he THINKS they won't like it, but went ahead and did it anyway.

I get all that, I just think he is talking without thinking....unless he slimmed down to 230 or so. I guess my point is that JMike likes to talk, and he is babbling. When camp starts he will work hard, be a poor, but willing blocker and do what he is asked. That is his history. I put this little rant up there with a politician who says he is for less spending and smaller government but has never actually legislated that way. Jmike is talking a fun game, but his history the last 2 years is that he talks a lot, and puts in the effort and does what they ask of him.

If that turns out to not be the case...well, he is in a contract year I believe.

[Patler]

Exactly how much weigh did he lose? 5 pounds? You think coaches like when players come to camp over weight? It happens all the time. You always have to make a big deal over nothing when it comes to Finley.

It doesn't matter how much weight he lost. It doesn't matter if it was only a pound, or if he tried to lose weight and didn't. It doesn't matter if he tried to lose weight and ended up gaining ten pounds. What matters is that he went ahead and tried to do something that in his own mind he believes the coaches won't like. That's a poor attitude. It's an attitude that has to be watched by the staff.

I always make a big deal about Finley over nothing? I praised the guy non-stop his second season for making huge strides in maturity from the dumb things he had said and done as a rookie. I was 100% behind him, and I often said it was a joy to see that in a young man. I don't believe I was critical at all until his crybaby act with Barnett over the Super Bowl Picture. Now this. Basically, I am on the guy for not having matured as much as I thought. Besides, I have said repeatedly in this thread that it is not a big deal. However, it is something that needs to be watched. To just dismiss or ignore every dumb thing he says and does is wearing blinders.

I think he is one of those sports personalities that could go either way. His second year I thought he was headed the better way. Now I think he might be headed the prima dona direction. I hope he isn't.