the owners did their part :) Lets Play

[pbmax]

We might be paying the price for Smith and Goodell being new to this. The lawyers, even I agree now, seem to be running amok.

[red]

If the Owners voted on a CBA that contained provisions that hadn't been negotiated, they run the very real risk of having the deal blow up in their face. Because the players main leverage remains the TV lawsuit and the end of the 6 month moratorium on courts acting to lift a labor action, which they can't sign off on until the CBA is all but done.

If this wasn't the plan by Goodell and Smith, then the owners think they have called a bluff. And I suspect given the compressed timeframe, the players aren't going to judge this with a cool head.

It seems like the owners put the until then unfinished CBA on the table as the price for having to lift the lockout while the decertification and CBA are still unresolved.

smith and goodell have been working on the thing all day, i thought thats what the owners agreed on? it seems to me like the players are pissed because smith negotiated some things without asking or telling all the players what he was doing.

isn't that why you hired de smith in the first place?

what a mess, you're right. lawers run amok, fucking up a game they don't care about for their own glory.

you can kiss goodbye to the first week of preseason games

[vince]

The players attorney's are haggling over legal bs. De Smith, man up, be a leader and get it done.

[gbgary]

from what i understand the stupid owners did this unilaterally. the players don't even have a full copy of the proposal. trying to put pressure on the players and all it's done is make the owners look ridiculous. lol

[red]

pft is saying that the nfl owners have included a new revenue sharing system between the teams. the players are pissed because this issue was never discussed, even though they never brought it up.

i don't get why a deal between teams for revenue sharing and keeping a level playing field has anything to do with the players in the first place. seems to me just another reason to stall and bitch.

[Joemailman]

I think the average fan sees that the owners are lifting the lockout, and the players aren't going along. I think the owners are winning this one.

[vince]

How the teams split their share of revenues should not need to be negotiated with the players IMO.

[Old School]

1. I know from experience how union leaders don't keep union members up to speed on negotiations. They lie to their own members to further their personal agenda.
2. Shakespeare was right about lawyers.
3. If the players don't approve this deal, they need a 1 year time out to get over their juvinile snit, and the NFLPA should be disemboweled like the public sector unions.
4. It'll be comical to see how many players end up in jail in order to eat because they don't have the ability to earn a living in the real world, and can't live lawfully in society without a coach for a mommy.
5. I'm as eager as anyone to get this Packer dynasty rolling, but not when I think the players are taking the fans for granted.

[gbgary]

I think the average fan sees that the owners are lifting the lockout, and the players aren't going along. I think the owners are winning this one.

by the end of the evening everyone will know better. espn is hammering the owners.

[red]

stupid owners did this unilaterally. the players don't even have a full copy of the proposal. trying to put pressure on the players and all it's done is make the owners look ridiculous. lol

haven't the players been putting off a vote for awhile now? they're the ones stalling. smith and goodell came up with something they both liked. the owners jumped on it to get things going. i'm guessing the owners had a certain zone that they were comfortable accepting. when goodell got they, they said good enough. i'm sure smith and the union had the same type of zone. smith probably got it, but all they players want time to go through everything. one lawyer even wants to send out by snail mail, union cards to be signed so the union can recertified. lawyers and played are dragging this out.

REMEMBER, the players were originally trying to get rid of some preseason games, and also cut offseason workouts and training camp. this could be a way for them to get rid of that.

NFLN is going over dates right now. WE have our first regular season game in 49 days. christ, what a joke

[gbgary]

haven't the players been putting off a vote for awhile now? they're the ones stalling. smith and goodell came up with something they both liked. the owners jumped on it to get things going. i'm guessing the owners had a certain zone that they were comfortable accepting. when goodell got they, they said good enough. i'm sure smith and the union had the same type of zone. smith probably got it, but all they players want time to go through everything. one lawyer even wants to send out by snail mail, union cards to be signed so the union can recertified. lawyers and played are dragging this out.

REMEMBER, the players were originally trying to get rid of some preseason games, and also cut offseason workouts and training camp. this could be a way for them to get rid of that.

NFLN is going over dates right now. WE have our first regular season game in 49 days. christ, what a joke

i don't think they've ever had anything to vote on. even tonight they still don't have a copy of the proposal.

[red]

How the teams split their share of revenues should not need to be negotiated with the players IMO.

absolutely vince. why are these not two completely separate deals. one between the owners and the players, and one between the teams how how to share their money.

[Tony Oday]

If they miss one game I am cancelling NFL Ticket, not doing fantasy and just watching Packers Games. Fuck the players and the NFL.

[red]

If they miss one game I am cancelling NFL Ticket, not doing fantasy and just watching Packers Games. Fuck the players and the NFL.

good for you tony, i hope more people have that attitude

[gbgary]

If they miss one game I am cancelling NFL Ticket, not doing fantasy and just watching Packers Games. Fuck the players and the NFL.

don't worry. it'll get done. the owners will be losing millions for every preseason game missed...nearly a billion by the end of preseason.