Packers Will Have To Cut Players

[vince]

what about a guy like robert gallery?

he was a bust at LT, but he's been a nice solid LG. he's a guy that wouldn't cost a ton and IMO would be an upgrade over colledge

also, he fits the packer mold, big white guy with long flowing hair and tats

You will never give up your dreams of vet. free agent signings will you red? Of all years (if there are any with Ted), I don't think this is the year for any veteran free agent signings by Ted. Not enough cap room, too much chaos, not enough time to let the market sort out, promising young guys who look like they're ready to fill in for a mostly average and/or risky group of free agent losses, team already coming off the Super Bowl with 15 guys returning from IR ...

[Lurker64]

how much does harrell count against the cap? i can see him going away if he has anything higher then like the minimum

Harrell counts against the cap about the same whether you cut him or keep him (due to bonus acceleration if cut). It's probably actually cheaper, this year if you kept him assuming he won a roster spot, simply because a vet minimum salary+cost of cutting Harrell > cost of keeping Harrell.

[red]

You will never give up your dreams of vet. free agent signings will you red? Of all years (if there are any with Ted), I don't think this is the year for any veteran free agent signings by Ted. Not enough cap room, too much chaos, not enough time to let the market sort out, promising young guys who look like they're ready to fill in for a mostly average and/or risky group of free agent losses, team already coming off the Super Bowl with 15 guys returning from IR ...

no, i think i'm fine if we just leave the team alone for this year, and ted as proven his way of doing things works

its just too damn fun thinking about signing other guys

[Patler]

Harrell counts against the cap about the same whether you cut him or keep him (due to bonus acceleration if cut). It's probably actually cheaper, this year if you kept him assuming he won a roster spot, simply because a vet minimum salary+cost of cutting Harrell > cost of keeping Harrell.

I'm not sure that is the case, and we won't know for sure until details of the new CBA come out. Under the old rules, a player cut after June 1 counted against the current salary cap for his "normal" bonus amount, and any accelerated bonus came in the following year's salary cap. (At one time I think the team had an option whether or not to use the two-year provision.) Since Harrell is in his next to last year, there never would have to be any acceleration under the old rules, what's left of his prorated signing bonus would be applied against 2011 and 2012.

Or...am I getting old and the two-year rule went away in the 2006 CBA revision????

[mission]

Donald Lee has already been released. Jarrett Bush isn't going anywhere. The rest could be gone.

Keep Bush (did i say that?) and cut the rest.

[Joemailman]

how much does harrell count against the cap? i can see him going away if he has anything higher then like the minimum

Harrell's contract:

7/27/2007: Signed a six-year, $14.507 million contract. The deal contains $8.1 million guaranteed, including a $1 million first-year roster bonus and a $5.3 million option bonus in the second year. 2011: $650,000 (+ $575,000 roster bonus), 2012: $1,536,750, 2013: Free Agent

[mission]

Can't see that roster bonus getting paid but who knows... maybe TT feels they've already put so much into it... why not a little half mil to make sure he's not the next Reggie White?

[HarveyWallbangers]

JSO had an article stating that the Packers would save over $1M by cutting Harrell.

That figure on Wilhelm can't be right, can it? I would think we signed him for the vet minimum after he was cut.

[pbmax]

Ted borrowing against the future? Not very Tedly.

How did the Pack go from being one of the youngest teams in the league, with many people complaining that TT didn't like to spend money at all, to a team that has the second-highest amount of money committed to vets, just behind Dallas? How'd that happen?

Because of M3s obsession with TEs and LBs, he spent like a drunken sailor on the LB corps in the last few years. Plus Jennings and Rodgers.

I think Ted will spend whichever amount comes from performance pay ABOVE the cap because it seems it does not have to be paid back.

[pbmax]

JSO had an article stating that the Packers would save over $1M by cutting Harrell.

That figure on Wilhelm can't be right, can it? I would think we signed him for the vet minimum after he was cut.

Thought exactly same thing when I saw it. Looks like a typo more than his salary. Where did the Pack get him from? Though he's a vet, so his contract could have contained a bit of fakery at the end.

[pbmax]

Harrell's contract:

7/27/2007: Signed a six-year, $14.507 million contract. The deal contains $8.1 million guaranteed, including a $1 million first-year roster bonus and a $5.3 million option bonus in the second year. 2011: $650,000 (+ $575,000 roster bonus), 2012: $1,536,750, 2013: Free Agent

Same as Patler on the rules, but I doubt that option bonus was prorated. If it wasn't guaranteed, then its cleared the books. Only a fraction of the $1 million signing bonus would accelerate.

[Patler]

That figure on Wilhelm can't be right, can it? I would think we signed him for the vet minimum after he was cut.

Thought exactly same thing when I saw it. Looks like a typo more than his salary. Where did the Pack get him from? Though he's a vet, so his contract could have contained a bit of fakery at the end.

Looks like this is the contract the Packer inherited for Wilhelm:

The Chargers yesterday continued their building for the future, locking up linebacker Matt Wilhelm through 2011. Wilhelm, seen as the successor to Donnie Edwards at inside linebacker, was due to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.



(redacted for brevity)


The deal is very similar to the five-year contract signed by linebacker Stephen Cooper in August.
Wilhelm will get approximately $6.5 million over the first two years of the extension and almost $15 million if he plays out the entire pact.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Did the Packers claim him (off waivers) for that figure? Or did they sign him to the vet minimum after he cleared waivers? I don't think they would have inherited that salary--unless they claimed him off waivers. It appears they didn't claim him.

The Green Bay Packers acquired two linebackers Tuesday and were expected to sign one more by the time the team hits the practice field Wednesday.

The team announced it signed veteran Matt Wilhelm and was awarded first-year pro Diyral Briggs off waivers. The Packers released linebacker Maurice Simpkins and placed defensive end Mike Neal and linebacker Brady Poppinga on injured reserve.

[Fritz]

I read on another site (sorry, Mad) what seemed a good analysis of Harrell's situation. In short, it would not save the Pack much if anything to cut Harrell now. It's cheaper to keep her, as the old song says.

I can't see Tauscher being kept, though, nor Poppinga. Those two plus Barnett would clear some room. And Wilhelm, if those numbers are right.

[pbmax]

I read on another site (sorry, Mad) what seemed a good analysis of Harrell's situation. In short, it would not save the Pack much if anything to cut Harrell now. It's cheaper to keep her, as the old song says.

I can't see Tauscher being kept, though, nor Poppinga. Those two plus Barnett would clear some room. And Wilhelm, if those numbers are right.

Link! I can't see that is the case.