TAKING A STAND AGAINST WHINER HOLDOUTS THAT DON"T HONOR THEIR DEALS

[King Friday]

Mike Brown may be right from a "moral" perspective, but he is an idiot from a football operations perspective because he is now getting NOTHING for Palmer instead of getting SOMETHING.

The Bengals are one of the most poorly run operations in all of professional sports. Mike Brown is cheaper than a Jewish accountant. The Bengals practice facilities are a joke. They don't have an indoor practice facility! Granted, Cincinnati isn't Green Bay...but it still gets cold in late November/December. Univ of Cincinnati asked the Bengals to go in 50-50 on an indoor facility...and Mike Brown was too cheap to even do that.

Nothing can change the fact that Mike Brown is completely incompetant in his current function, and that more than anything else is why Palmer has no desire to remain in Cincinnati.

[Lurker64]

But considering how much of a mess that Cincinnati is on most years, Mike Brown absolutely has to hold the line on "no, we will not trade you just because you asked" otherwise every decent player for the Bengals is going to beg off to get out of that mess and that team will never get better.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, but if you're going to make that kind of stand, wouldn't it make more sense to stand against a player with a little less value? Then again, it occurs to me to make sure the teams I wouldn't want Palmer on are set at QB before I say that.

[Bretsky]

Palmer was a jerkoff for letting his feelings out. If he does this behind doors perhaps Cincy can get something decent for him.

But lets call a spade a spade. Palmer has sucked lately. He's an average QB and his elite talent has been absent.

So then he plays this game and after doing so he hurts Cincy's ability to get fair value for him...whatever that is

Make the dumbass return his signing bonus !!!!!!!!!!!!

[MJZiggy]

Palmer was a jerkoff for letting his feelings out. If he does this behind doors perhaps Cincy can get something decent for him.

But lets call a spade a spade. Palmer has sucked lately. He's an average QB and his elite talent has been absent.

So then he plays this game and after doing so he hurts Cincy's ability to get fair value for him...whatever that is

Make the dumbass return his signing bonus !!!!!!!!!!!!

True, but if someone wants him, they still have to go through Cincy because they've said "nothing doing, we're not trading you." Maybe that's why he said that. If other owners think they want Palmer playing for them, they may still approach the team and offer up something like fair value. If other teams think he's willing to capitulate, then they'll just wait it out until the price comes down. This showmanship may have a benefit after all.

[Lurker64]

But considering how much of a mess that Cincinnati is on most years, Mike Brown absolutely has to hold the line on "no, we will not trade you just because you asked" otherwise every decent player for the Bengals is going to beg off to get out of that mess and that team will never get better.

There's value in consistency, actually. The Bengals said "no" to Chad Ochocinco (then Johnson)'s trade requests for years when he still had value to the Bengals. If they had said "no" to Chad when he was still valuable to the team but "yes" to Palmer, that would have created a clear double standard. The white QB gets treated differently than the black WR, and that's a kettle of fish you don't want to have to deal with.

[pbmax]

There's value in consistency, actually. The Bengals said "no" to Chad Ochocinco (then Johnson)'s trade requests for years when he still had value to the Bengals. If they had said "no" to Chad when he was still valuable to the team but "yes" to Palmer, that would have created a clear double standard. The white QB gets treated differently than the black WR, and that's a kettle of fish you don't want to have to deal with.

Well, they have said yes before, thought the latest example I saw cited was Boomer Esiason.

In fact, to Bretsky's point about public bellyaching, Palmer did go the quiet route initially, though word did leak while he was waiting. In was then that the move was compared to Esiason's.

But after he got a no, he then made it public. Its possible that the Bengals found out that with his contract, age and injury, they wouldn't be able to turn him into much in a trade.

[Zool]

Teams can cut players at a whim when they feel they aren't playing to their potential. Can players not hold management accountable in the same way? The Bengals have been a joke for quite a long time. Isn't it time someone steps up and does something about it? He's not getting paid so I don't understand the animosity. If he feels management hasn't been doing a good job, then good for him. Unlike the rest of us, he's under contract so he can either work for a shitty boss or sit at home.

[wist43]

Look, you can't blame Palmer... Cincinnati is an absolute cess pool of an organization.

I don't usually have much sympathy for millionaire whiners... but in Palmer's case??? It isn't a holdout, it's an escape attempt - can't blame him for that.

[Smidgeon]

To me, the key difference for Palmer is that it isn't about the money. He's not trying to get more. He just wants to get out.