Packers Sign Jones

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yes, they included postseason stats.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/126299573.html

[MadtownPacker]

However, if Jones had not dropped a couple of those possible long TDs, his stats would be more impressive.

Damn you could work for ESPN with that kind of hindsight.

[pbmax]

Yes, they included postseason stats.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/126299573.html

Well, I think his postseason really stamped his season as a success; prior to that I thought he had fallen behind Jones.

But I may have overstated the case about Nelson's weak regular season. Despite not being the focus that Jones was, he did hold on to a better percentage of his targets compared to Jones, even as both he and Jones had too many drops.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, I think his postseason really stamped his season as a success; prior to that I thought he had fallen behind Jones.

But I may have overstated the case about Nelson's weak regular season. Despite not being the focus that Jones was, he did hold on to a better percentage of his targets compared to Jones, even as both he and Jones had too many drops.

I agree that Nelson's postseason elevated him to some degree, but he did also have like 3 drops in the Super Bowl alone. Statistically, I'm not sure how much it helped his drop rate, catch/target ratio, and yards/target ratio. I think Jones had a slight edge until late in the year, but I think his drops and Nelson's play maybe put them on par in the minds of the coaches. It's interesting that Nelson ended up getting slightly more plays on the year.

[pbmax]

I agree that Nelson's postseason elevated him to some degree, but he did also have like 3 drops in the Super Bowl alone. Statistically, I'm not sure how much it helped his drop rate, catch/target ratio, and yards/target ratio. I think Jones had a slight edge until late in the year, but I think his drops and Nelson's play maybe put them on par in the minds of the coaches. It's interesting that Nelson ended up getting slightly more plays on the year.

Rodgers seemed at one point to target Jones with 3 WR on field after Finley went down. But by the end of the season, that was less the case.

What I was initially struck by (and what changed in the postseason) was that Nelson was 20+ targets behind Jones. Now targets to JSO and FO are tabulated by different people with perhaps different standards, but roughly speaking, Nelson was targeted at a 2:1 rate compared to Jones in the postseason (28-14).

Some of that regular season difference may be route preference, as Rodgers loves going deep on the outside when he gets single coverage.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers seemed at one point to target Jones with 3 WR on field after Finley went down. But by the end of the season, that was less the case.

What I was initially struck by (and what changed in the postseason) was that Nelson was 20+ targets behind Jones. Now targets to JSO and FO are tabulated by different people with perhaps different standards, but roughly speaking, Nelson was targeted at a 2:1 rate compared to Jones in the postseason (28-14).

Some of that regular season difference may be route preference, as Rodgers loves going deep on the outside when he gets single coverage.

It's hard to say if it was a changing of the guard. Could have been just a 4 game sample. You could go back to any 4 game sample throughout the year, and find one guy did better (was targeted) more than the other. Or perhaps Rodgers lost a bit of confidence in Jones after the big drops. I would expect that they'll share duties again this year and their #1 of plays and targets will be quite similar.

[KYPack]

I really didn't think we'd see Jones back on the roster. I'm real glad he re-signed. He has one quality that I love to see in an athlete. He's got a chip on his shoulder and something to prove. You know JJ has a burning desire to turn in a monster season and stick it up everybodies ass that has been bad rapping him for all the drops.

That could work against us, but give me a guy with his motivation over a player with little to prove every time.

You know, I THINK I know as much football as Harv or Patler, but when them boys start using terms like "non-drop targeted incompletions", I realize they might just be a little over my head.

In a non-related thread-jack type question, which one of you sumbitches implemented them little colored tombstones under the poster name, like a rating system?

I think I smell the foul stench of Harlan or Skin behind this low-life "star system", but in fine PR tradition, I've never seen it explained anywhere.

What is it, who did it, etc?

[Patler]

You know, I THINK I know as much football as Harv or Patler, but when them boys start using terms like "non-drop targeted incompletions", I realize they might just be a little over my head.

How about a "targeted pass non-drop incompletion"; or an "incomplete targeted pass - nondrop" instead?

You have no need to worry about the adequacy of your football knowledge, my friend! !

[Smidgeon]

Anyone hear Jones' contract numbers?

[KYPack]

How about a "targeted pass non-drop incompletion"; or an "incomplete targeted pass - nondrop" instead?

You have no need to worry about the adequacy of your football knowledge, my friend! !

"Incomplete targeted pass - nondrop" sounds like the World's Tallest Midget to me. Some fancy terminology in search of a statistic. It made me try to figure out what it meant, until I figured out I didn't give a shit. (Please insert a 'I'm just jokin' emoticon here)

I am glad we kept Jones. A good young player with experience. It's obvious the guys all like him and he's really got the hunger. That's hard to find coming off a championship season. A guy who knows the system who wants to show people what he's got.

Somebody answer my question. Who put those little colored squares under the poster's names? Good Christ, mine changed color since I asked the question the first time!

[MJZiggy]

That would be our fearless leader. Green is good, gray is boring and red means we hate you. It's based on ratings posters can give to posts. If you look at the row of icons below a post, click the one that looks like a sheriff's badge and you can approve or disapprove of a post and add to a poster's reputation. You are green because you said something along the way that someone liked. Mad did manipulate them to begin with to see how it all worked.

[Fritz]

This all reminds me of Death of a Salesman ...."Biff....he....he likes me!"

[pbmax]

How about a "targeted pass non-drop incompletion"; or an "incomplete targeted pass - nondrop" instead?

You have no need to worry about the adequacy of your football knowledge, my friend! !

The acronym for either of those, when they are finished, should be Nintcompoop.

[pbmax]

Anyone hear Jones' contract numbers?

No, and Silverstein nearly gave me heart failure when he posted a blog item about contract numbers and then listed all the Packer (and former Packer) number except Kuhn and Jones. Given all the transactions that are happening, I think its taking the league office a while to get the numbers in and then the agents to leak the actual and correct details to the press. Not even Rotoworld has numbers for either guy.

PFT has just flat give up posting the details, which is unfortunate because that used to the be one of their best features and argument-settlers.

[Patler]

The acronym for either of those, when they are finished, should be Nintcompoop.

Whatever you say.