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  • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
    No, and Silverstein nearly gave me heart failure when he posted a blog item about contract numbers and then listed all the Packer (and former Packer) number except Kuhn and Jones. Given all the transactions that are happening, I think its taking the league office a while to get the numbers in and then the agents to leak the actual and correct details to the press. Not even Rotoworld has numbers for either guy.

    PFT has just flat give up posting the details, which is unfortunate because that used to the be one of their best features and argument-settlers.
    What's the big rush? The details are likely to come out soon enough, and it really doesn't matter much right now anyway. With the league year not starting until Thursday, and signed free agents not allowed to practice until then, with all the signings including rookies and FAs, the contracts are probably all tucked away in envelopes waiting for entry.

    I'm confident that salary cap info will be coming out shortly after Thursday. TT won't do anything significant with it until well into the season anyway.

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    • Originally posted by vince View Post
      Nelson had more drops this year than previous years. Jones obviously adds another legitimate threat to the group, which is more than you can say about Swain.

      I don't like Rodgers and Driver politicking about the roster. Until they start demanding a trade or trying to manipulate their way off the roster and giving Packer opponents strategic intel because Ted doesn't listen to them I guess it's not a big deal.
      I actually don't mind Rodgers saying he wants Jones back. I think Jones has the potential to be a locker room cancer if he is unhappy and what better way than to make him feel happy than have Rodgers asking for him back? I also do not think TT was swayed in any way by anything Rodgers or Driver said about wanting Jones back. Jones tested his market value and when it wasn't as high as he imagined, the Packers were able to get him back.

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      • Originally posted by Patler View Post
        What's the big rush? The details are likely to come out soon enough, and it really doesn't matter much right now anyway. With the league year not starting until Thursday, and signed free agents not allowed to practice until then, with all the signings including rookies and FAs, the contracts are probably all tucked away in envelopes waiting for entry.

        I'm confident that salary cap info will be coming out shortly after Thursday. TT won't do anything significant with it until well into the season anyway.
        Strictly personal and selfish. My work week will pick up tomorrow with travel and I was hoping to see numbers before I had to divert attention away from the Packers and to something actually relevant. Of course it will eventually come out, I was just hoping for today.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
          Jennings: Catch Rate 61% and Fumbles 2
          I remember the game where Jennings had two fumbles. Both came in the game against the Falcons. The first came loose when his elbow slammed into the turf. The ball is quickly scooped up by Jordy. You can see the official ruling down-by-contact, right next to Jordy and Greg and the Falcons DB, but for some reason the scorer called it a fumble. The other was a lateral that went out of bounds on the desperation play at the end of the game.

          The first one wasn't a fumble. The second didn't hurt the team, and was only a fumble by strict definition.

          As for Jones' contract, I would guess it's between 3/12 and 3/18
          Last edited by smuggler; 08-01-2011, 11:09 PM.

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          • I almost expect Jones to take over the so called #2 WR role on this team next yr. As frustrating as the drops were, I think he reigns it in this yr and has big season. I love Driver but I have to think at this point he's the 4th best WR on this roster. Thats not taking anything away from DD, but I think he would be better off and still make a great contribution to this team if he slipped into that 4th role. I think Jones is clearly the 2nd most talented WR on this roster. Time to shine.

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            • Originally posted by Patler View Post
              What's the big rush? The details are likely to come out soon enough, and it really doesn't matter much right now anyway. With the league year not starting until Thursday, and signed free agents not allowed to practice until then, with all the signings including rookies and FAs, the contracts are probably all tucked away in envelopes waiting for entry.

              I'm confident that salary cap info will be coming out shortly after Thursday. TT won't do anything significant with it until well into the season anyway.

              Is there any reason for him to drag his feet on Sitton?

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              • Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
                Is there any reason for him to drag his feet on Sitton?
                Depends what you mean by "drag his feet". From the team's perspective, there isn't much reason to do it during TC. It protects the team for a while longer against some sort of catastrophic injury, etc. that might affect the offer they are willing to make. On the other hand, if Sitton agrees to a discount to sign the deal as early as possible, the team very well might want to do it soon.

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                • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                  Depends what you mean by "drag his feet". From the team's perspective, there isn't much reason to do it during TC. It protects the team for a while longer against some sort of catastrophic injury, etc. that might affect the offer they are willing to make. On the other hand, if Sitton agrees to a discount to sign the deal as early as possible, the team very well might want to do it soon.

                  I'd take a little less money overall to get it done earlier if I was Sitton. He has yet to see his first really big NFL payday. He has more to lose than the Packers do.

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                  • Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
                    I'd take a little less money overall to get it done earlier if I was Sitton. He has yet to see his first really big NFL payday. He has more to lose than the Packers do.
                    You and I might see it that way, sometimes players and/or their agents see it differently. A second big contract may never come, so they want to maximize this one.

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                    • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                      You and I might see it that way, sometimes players and/or their agents see it differently. A second big contract may never come, so they want to maximize this one.
                      It's the classic player v. agent tension. Sitton wants to stay in Green Bay and realizes that whatever contract he signs it will make him rich, but his agent knows what he's worth on the open market (at least 30 other teams would like to have Sitton) and has a clear disincentive for taking a below market contract (because it makes it more difficult for him to sign new clients.)

                      I think something gets done, but it will be pricey. I expect something like 5 years $40m.
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                      • Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                        It's the classic player v. agent tension. Sitton wants to stay in Green Bay and realizes that whatever contract he signs it will make him rich, but his agent knows what he's worth on the open market (at least 30 other teams would like to have Sitton) and has a clear disincentive for taking a below market contract (because it makes it more difficult for him to sign new clients.)

                        I think something gets done, but it will be pricey. I expect something like 5 years $40m.
                        Except for whom?
                        No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                        • Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
                          Except for whom?
                          New Orleans has some pretty good guards in Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks. Sitton wouldn't be a clear upgrade over either of them (Sitton's a better pass blocker than either, but those two guys have a lean on Sitton in the run game), so I don't know if they would bother to pursue him.
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                          • If Jones deal was 3/15 or less, what a fantastic deal. If he can keep working on his concentration, I will take a top flight gifted WR like him for that kind of money. However, if he can't keep his head in the game, it will have been a mediocre deal that I would have rather gone towards keeping Jenkins instead.

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                            • Originally posted by TheRaven View Post
                              If Jones deal was 3/15 or less, what a fantastic deal. If he can keep working on his concentration, I will take a top flight gifted WR like him for that kind of money. However, if he can't keep his head in the game, it will have been a mediocre deal that I would have rather gone towards keeping Jenkins instead.
                              Except for the fact that Jenkins went to the Redskins which is a signal that his career is about to flame out horridly.
                              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                              • Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
                                Except for the fact that Jenkins went to the Redskins which is a signal that his career is about to flame out horridly.
                                You would be correct on the sentiment of that statement, if it was indeed correct. He went to the Eagles though, where he likely will be in a solid rotation to keep him fresh and after the ball.

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