Kuhn signs 3 yr deal..

[vince]

Kuhn has no talent but he's heady, does the dirty work and has a ton of heart. Good guy to have on the team.

Harlan is your colon failing you or something? I completely forgot you piss and moan so much.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kuhn has talent. For a FB he's relatively shifty and fast. Enough to play RB and make it work. Could you imagine Hall or Johnson carrying ball? Add on that he blocks, can catch the ball, and is good on special teams. I think you are underestimating his talent. He ain't great, but he's versatile and not too shabby in all of the things he does. Spencer Havner is like a poor man's Kuhn. Now that guy has little talent.

[pbmax]

Let's not be badmouthing Frankenbacker.

[vince]

Kuhn has talent. For a FB he's relatively shifty and fast. Enough to play RB and make it work. Could you imagine Hall or Johnson carrying ball? Add on that he blocks, can catch the ball, and is good on special teams. I think you are underestimating his talent. He ain't great, but he's versatile and not too shabby in all of the things he does. Spencer Havner is like a poor man's Kuhn. Now that guy has little talent.

For a fullback, he has talent. He's a blue-collar guy through and through and that's good.

[rbaloha1]

Good move due to versatility.

IMO TT drafted the Arkansas and NC tes to also be defacto tes.

QJ is most likely gone -- average st player and missed too many blocks.

[pbmax]

Good move due to versatility.

IMO TT drafted the Arkansas and NC tes to also be defacto tes.

QJ is most likely gone -- average st player and missed too many blocks.

Disagree. Q Johnson will start in normal 2 back formations.

[rbaloha1]

Disagree. Q Johnson will start in normal 2 back formations.

Maybe if he make the roster.

RB Locks -- Grant, Starks, Green and Kuhn

TEs/Fullbacks -- Finley, Quarless, Williams, and Havner or the NC rookie

[Lurker64]

I think that Kuhn is going to get first look in the third down back role to replace Jackson.

[rbaloha1]

I think that Kuhn is going to get first look in the third down back role to replace Jackson.

Maybe. Green is the eventual 3rd down back.

The blocking issue is not an issue.

In the Hawaii run and shoot offense (its not the spread or pistol) the first requirement of a running block is pass blocking since the offense does not have a tight end or fullback.

Green did not play early in his Hawaii career due to the coaches not trusting his pass blocking. Bulked up and significantly improved pass blocking. Blocking is not an issue for Green.

[Lurker64]

Maybe. Green is the eventual 3rd down back.

The blocking issue is not an issue.

In the Hawaii run and shoot offense (its not the spread or pistol) the first requirement of a running block is pass blocking since the offense does not have a tight end or fullback.

Green did not play early in his Hawaii career due to the coaches not trusting his pass blocking. Bulked up and significantly improved pass blocking. Blocking is not an issue for Green.

Actually, "blocking" is the first thing you look for in a third down back, since blitzers hit the QB harder than linemen (c.f. the hit that ended Tony Romo's season last year.) I think that if Kuhn were not to win the 3rd down back role, it would be Starks (since he's more familiar with the offense, and he's got fantastic hands.) Green may be that way eventually, but I think honestly that in the long run Green profiles as the starter while Starks profiles as the third down/change of pace back.

[rbaloha1]

Green is capable of becoming an every down back.

Green's strengths are pass catching and pass blocking. Great in screens and swing passes.

Early on its easier for Green to focus on being the third down back since the Packer run 4 receiver one back sets similar to the run and shoot. The running lanes are similar. Green is also capable of picking up the correct blitzer.

The adjustment for Green is the two back set (looked lost in the East West shrine game).

[Smidgeon]

Let's not be badmouthing Frankenbacker.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think honestly that in the long run Green profiles as the starter while Starks profiles as the third down/change of pace back.

well that's a different take

[rbaloha1]

[QUOTE=rbaloha1;601817]Green is capable of becoming an every down back.

Green's strengths are pass catching and pass blocking. Great in screens and swing passes.

Early on its easier for Green to focus on being the third down back since the Packer run 4 receiver one back sets similar to the run and shoot. The running lanes are similar. Green is also capable of picking up the correct blitzer.

The adjustment for Green in the two back set (looked lost in the East West shrine game) shall take sme time. Just wait until the light comes on -- franchise back. Compared to Stephen Jackson prior to the draft.

[Lurker64]

well that's a different take

In terms of size speed combo, Green profiles like a bunch of guys who have had excellent NFL careers. Deuce McAllister comes to mind. Starks though, Starks is a weird animal. He's one of those RBs who almost project to WR: tall, long strider, fantastic hands. I think that long term if both of these guys work out we're looking at Green as the top back who is the hammer who grinds defenses, while Starks is the change of pace. Not this year, certainly. Grant's top dog, and Starks is ahead of Green until Green learns the playbook.