Official "Jump to Conclusions Based on the First Preseason Game Thread"

[mraynrand]

Haha, that'd be great, but we have nowhere to put him!

Accept it!!

[hoosier]

Didn't see the game so have no idea what Quinn Johnson did to get himself cut (at least on this board) so soon. But now that he is gone, my leap is the Packers now have no hope of establishing any sort of short yardage running game this season, so they will just pass on every third/fourth and short. And they will also be forced to let Kuhn go during the final cutdowns, since if you take away his short yardage prowess he's really only good for picking up seven yards on checkdowns once per game.

[Brandon494]

When haven't we passed on 3rd/4th short yard situations? Also with Grant and Starks fully healthy we don't need Kuhn to run the ball anymore.

[Fritz]

If Quinn Johnson makes this team, I'm going to burn Thompsons house down.

Come on, now, be nice. Just shoot his dog.

[pbmax]

The breakdown of the Sherrod-Lang battle continues to be in the garbage, if you are interested in that kind of thing.

[Fritz]

I just read it. Thanks for posting it!

[vince]

I think Torey Gurley is worth keeping around on the Practice Squad, he's got something that none of our WRs have: he's 6'4 1/8". He's green and he doesn't really know what he's doing, but he's got the tools, and he's an insurance policy in case Nelson leaves, since I think McCarthy has always wanted a tall, fast WR. I'm not sure someone doesn't claim Chastin West,so that saves us from three WRs on the PS. When it comes to OLBs on the PS, I think So'oto and Lattimore have more promise than Elmore. If I'm jumping to conclusions after one game, I don't think Elmore really has a future in the NFL. It's not that he doesn't have skills, it's that he's not tough enough.

Gordy, I think, has an outside shot to make the roster. Depending on how many DBs you keep, and you usually keep a good number because these guys are useful on STs. Six CBs is plausible, and Williams, Woodson, Shields, and House are guaranteed a spot, Bush almost certainly takes up a spot because of his ST play, so there's a #6 CB spot available for Lee or Gordy (or Ross) if they can earn it.

I don't see much in Gurly other than size and the ability to catch the ball. He's not that fast. Ruvell Martin had both of those attributes too.

I thought Elmore looked too stiff and slow for sure, but Lattimore is 230 tops and I think you need to be a minimum of 240-245 to "embrace the violent physical nature of the game" the way Dom and Kevin Greene want you to play OLB. Hard to say what that kind of added weight would do to his speed rush and coverage skills. It doesn't look like adding size did much for Erik Walden's ability to cover.

Lee was suspect against the big and fast Josh Cribbs, but I'm not writing him off yet after one preseason game. He's no starting corner by any stretch, but I want to see more out of the undersized Gordy before anointing him a roster spot. If he continues to impress while Lee continues to be suspect, it'll become obvious. I'm just not sure yet personally.

[Harlan Huckleby]

As for giving Cliffy breathers, the less you play O line, the worse you play O line. We have seen before when Clifton is struggling with injuries or sore knees, he actually gets worse the less he practices. Less game time might make him less tired but less effective.

Guys get injured when they get tired. There is nothing so mystical about O-line that it is the only position in the world of sports where a player gets worse by resting for 10 minutes.

You are a disgrace.

[bobblehead]

I don't see much in Gurly other than size and the ability to catch the ball. He's not that fast. Ruvell Martin had both of those attributes too.

I thought Elmore looked too stiff and slow for sure, but Lattimore is 230 tops and I think you need to be a minimum of 240-245 to "embrace the violent physical nature of the game" the way Dom and Kevin Greene want you to play OLB. Hard to say what that kind of added weight would do to his speed rush and coverage skills. It doesn't look like adding size did much for Erik Walden's ability to cover.

Lee was suspect against the big and fast Josh Cribbs, but I'm not writing him off yet after one preseason game. He's no starting corner by any stretch, but I want to see more out of the undersized Gordy before anointing him a roster spot. If he continues to impress while Lee continues to be suspect, it'll become obvious. I'm just not sure yet personally.

there you go NOT jumping to conclusions.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't see much in Gurly other than size and the ability to catch the ball. He's not that fast. Ruvell Martin had both of those attributes too .

Hah! I've been trying to remember Ruvell Martin's name for the last week. Yes, Gurly is Son of Martin. As I recall, somebody in this forum had a jones on for Ruvell, who was that? Ruvell Martin may even have had a misguided cult following here. Did Ruvell go to Seattle and become a starter? I know he landed somewhere.

[pbmax]

Guys get injured when they get tired. There is nothing so mystical about O-line that it is the only position in the world of sports where a player gets worse by resting for 10 minutes.

You are a disgrace.

A disgrace, perhaps. But one with a memory. Cliffy's problems are not with pulls and hamstrings. Its cartilage and knees and I think I remember he had surgery on his arms oir shoulders or something. Not fatigue injuries.

[Guiness]

A disgrace, perhaps. But one with a memory. Cliffy's problems are not with pulls and hamstrings. Its cartilage and knees and I think I remember he had surgery on his arms oir shoulders or something. Not fatigue injuries.

Now that you've enumerated Cliffy's problems, care to take a stab at Cleft's?

I openly admit I don't understand OL play. I'm just struggling to understand why it's a good idea for an OL to stay in all game, and run block in the 4th quarter against a DL who has been rotated out, and is relatively fresh.

That's the way it's always been, I guess. My only counter argument was that it was once thought you had to have a feature back, because he needed to get 'in the rhythm'. You don't hear anyone claiming that anymore.

[RashanGary]

Sounds like Lang graded out better than Sherrod at guard. It's the ideal scenario if Lang can play at a high level and Sherrod can continue to work on technique and strength.

Sherrod is probably going to backup both LT and LG. That's OK though. If he gets a few weeks into the season, he should be ready to not suck ass.

[Yoop]

Now that you've enumerated Cliffy's problems, care to take a stab at Cleft's?

I openly admit I don't understand OL play. I'm just struggling to understand why it's a good idea for an OL to stay in all game, and run block in the 4th quarter against a DL who has been rotated out, and is relatively fresh.

That's the way it's always been, I guess. My only counter argument was that it was once thought you had to have a feature back, because he needed to get 'in the rhythm'. You don't hear anyone claiming that anymore.

teamwork on the oline is more critical than any other position, and run blocking is the harder technique to learn and be good at as a unit, the longer the same players are together, the better the group becomes, as a player becomes familiar with the player next to him he learns his strengths and weakness, same with a feature RB, specially in a zone scheme, where timing on the cut back is the difference in a open lane or the back of your olineman at the LOS.

time playing together is usually the reason why it takes a oline 4 or 5 games to get in sync run blocking, the risk of injury is to great to cut block in practice, so they wait till PS and the season to do that stuff, and it takes a few games to iron out the wrinkles.

[Yoop]

Sounds like Lang graded out better than Sherrod at guard. It's the ideal scenario if Lang can play at a high level and Sherrod can continue to work on technique and strength.

Sherrod is probably going to backup both LT and LG. That's OK though. If he gets a few weeks into the season, he should be ready to not suck ass.

who's our best backup RT? Newhouse doesn't look to good, Campbell didn't play, could that person be Lang? could that be why McCarthy is giving every chance for Sherrod to win the spot, it would be back to switching two spots if Lang where our only guy that could anchor RT if Bulaga where to miss time, we would have to move him out and Sherrod back in at LG, I dont have a problem with that, but some would call it musical chairs again