packer involved in miami scandal

[Brandon494]

Yea but they can also take that scholarship away at the end of the semester if a better player comes along.

[Freak Out]

Yea but they can also take that scholarship away at the end of the semester if a better player comes along.

What? Wait...is that only in WV?

[MJZiggy]

Wah wah wah...cry me a river. Yes...the kids get scholarships. The cheapest of which is how much year? So because Kiper and Berman makes a fortune talking about NCAA football the student athlete should get paid? Tell me about that salary structure please. Give them a free ride....food and financial assistance as needed.

As usual what was once tradition and honor driven is now driven by greed.

Everything is driven by greed, dear. I can see them not wanting the schools to pay athletes, but to say that they can't hold a job while they're in school is ridiculous. If there is a company that wants to hire them, it is their prerogative to work while in school as long as they keep their athletic eligibility.

[Lurker64]

Shit I guarntee they get paid just like every other college besides BYU.

They get paid at BYU, they just aren't allowed to have sex.

[ND72]

I think these schools should get hit with everything. Here is the thing, these kids are paid, they just don't realize it. I played D2 football, when we left on Friday, every meal, paid for, hotel paid for. Our baseball team went to Florida every february for a week...hotel, paid, 2 meals per day paid (hotel provided breakfast). Buddy of mine played for the badgers...when they came back from whatever bowl game it was, he had almost $3000 in gift certificates to best buy, Tommy, old navy, Nike, addidas, and many more....PLUS, they all came back with new team gear provided by the school for being there, bowl clothing as they were given all new hats, pants, shirts, and sweatshirts, AND they all received an Xbox360. I don't know too many other normal college kids that get those treatments. Screw paying the kids, if you're gonna pay them, no more scholarships (5-year scholarship to Wisconsin valued at $60,000 in state), and stop giving the rest of the handouts they all continually get. The NCAA is just as to blame as some of these kids, no question, but people need to stop acting like they don't get anything.

[Lurker64]

The real problem is that ultimately there's really no way to stop this sort of thing. I mean, no matter how much you're getting paid to do what you do, if a booster or other fan offers you a TV or some cash under the table on top of that, are you really going to say no to that? Do you even necessarily believe that this is wrong? There's really no threat of being found out until it's too late, anyway. I'm not sure there's anything that can be done to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I mean, it ought to be expected that a college would stop this sort of thing before it went as far as it did in Miami (Shapiro lead the team out of the tunnel on two occasions, his luxury box was right next to the AD's, somebody should have looked into this), but stuff like this is pretty impossible to completely eliminate.

I suppose you could probably allow college athletes to profit from personal appearances, signing autographs, selling their personal property, and other perfectly behavior that the NCAA bans profiting from, so taking money under the table would be much less appealing for star players. But that's unlikely to happen.

[hoosier]

I think these schools should get hit with everything. Here is the thing, these kids are paid, they just don't realize it. I played D2 football, when we left on Friday, every meal, paid for, hotel paid for. Our baseball team went to Florida every february for a week...hotel, paid, 2 meals per day paid (hotel provided breakfast). Buddy of mine played for the badgers...when they came back from whatever bowl game it was, he had almost $3000 in gift certificates to best buy, Tommy, old navy, Nike, addidas, and many more....PLUS, they all came back with new team gear provided by the school for being there, bowl clothing as they were given all new hats, pants, shirts, and sweatshirts, AND they all received an Xbox360. I don't know too many other normal college kids that get those treatments. Screw paying the kids, if you're gonna pay them, no more scholarships (5-year scholarship to Wisconsin valued at $60,000 in state), and stop giving the rest of the handouts they all continually get. The NCAA is just as to blame as some of these kids, no question, but people need to stop acting like they don't get anything.

I think I see the happy medium between ND and Fritz: the NCAA should enforce its rules and drop the building on violators, and the NFL can start up a minor league. Talented 18-year olds could choose between the two, and the quality of college football probably wouldn't suffer too much (more continuity from 4-year players). And fans could wonder what might have been if only Reggie Bush had chosen USC over the Sacramento Horndogs.

That aside, the question should really be put to Fritz: Why is it that the NCAA has such a hard time acknowledging cheating and corruption? Maybe the answer to that question would also point to why your scenario isn't gonna work....

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Screw Miami the the Blowhard Canes. If they'd quit cheating every dam year the legit WI Badgers would kick their ass !! No wonder why we can't win a title. We don't pay rent and board for Reggie Bush or buy the players TV'S

yeah, badger players just get shopping sprees at footlocker

it happens to every team

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I think I see the happy medium between ND and Fritz: the NCAA should enforce its rules and drop the building on violators, and the NFL can start up a minor league. Talented 18-year olds could choose between the two, and the quality of college football probably wouldn't suffer too much (more continuity from 4-year players). And fans could wonder what might have been if only Reggie Bush had chosen USC over the Sacramento Horndogs.

That aside, the question should really be put to Fritz: Why is it that the NCAA has such a hard time acknowledging cheating and corruption? Maybe the answer to that question would also point to why your scenario isn't gonna work....

that's the major problem, there is no farm system and the NFL forces players to go to college for 3 years before they can enter the nfl.

i'm sure a pretty high amount of blue chippers would rather go play for some AAA affiliate making $20,000 a year vs. being forces to go to college and only get a scholarship

now for a vast majority of kids, like ND was, its nice to get a full ride for playing football. i'm sure ND probably didn't have dreams of playing in the NFL at the time. but i'm sure there's also a lot out there that would love to start making money right away out of high school

[Fritz]

I think I see the happy medium between ND and Fritz: the NCAA should enforce its rules and drop the building on violators, and the NFL can start up a minor league. Talented 18-year olds could choose between the two, and the quality of college football probably wouldn't suffer too much (more continuity from 4-year players). And fans could wonder what might have been if only Reggie Bush had chosen USC over the Sacramento Horndogs.

That aside, the question should really be put to Fritz: Why is it that the NCAA has such a hard time acknowledging cheating and corruption? Maybe the answer to that question would also point to why your scenario isn't gonna work....

The answer of course is that the NCAA is making so damn much money right now they don't want to change a thing. But if the NCAA became an arm of the NFL - the developmental league arm - they'd still make their money. It could work. And as for ND, if you're a small-time college player, getting a scholarship and meals is quite a perk. But if you're a big-time player and you see all these big mucky-mucks making money off you while you toil away for your free meals and rooms and yo're an injury away from being irrelevant, I'd say your scholarship hardly makes up for any of it. Cuz once you're hurt they'll take it away.

[Bretsky]

yeah, badger players just get shopping sprees at footlocker

it happens to every team

yes, getting shoe discounts from a small time shop....(NOT FOOT LOCKER) is not exactly similar to handing out the TV's or free rent for friends and family. Midwesterners arent' smart enough to get away with this stuff while your Canes abuse consistently. Suspend all of their Southern Asses !!!!!

[ND72]

that's the major problem, there is no farm system and the NFL forces players to go to college for 3 years before they can enter the nfl.

i'm sure a pretty high amount of blue chippers would rather go play for some AAA affiliate making $20,000 a year vs. being forces to go to college and only get a scholarship

now for a vast majority of kids, like ND was, its nice to get a full ride for playing football. i'm sure ND probably didn't have dreams of playing in the NFL at the time. but i'm sure there's also a lot out there that would love to start making money right away out of high school

I was a walk-on....aka, I sucked. my recruiting visit was a trip to a local bar for wings, and then sent home. When I visited Wisconsin and NOTRE dame, they had a completely different recruiting time and area for walk on kids than scholarship kids.

[Patler]

What about the athletes on so-called "minor sports". No less uniquely talented than their football-playing counterparts. Don't they deserve 42" TVs just as much? They get along fine without all the perks that football players seem to think they are entitled to and some seem to think they can't live without.

One of my kids was a D-I athlete at a well-known "sports school". Living within the NCAA restrictions was just a matter of paying attention.

[Joemailman]

What about the athletes on so-called "minor sports". No less uniquely talented than their football-playing counterparts. Don't they deserve 42" TVs just as much? They get along fine without all the perks that football players seem to think they are entitled to and some seem to think they can't live without.

One of my kids was a D-I athlete at a well-known "sports school". Living within the NCAA restrictions was just a matter of paying attention.

I'm pretty sure the 42" TV was just for watching game film.

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What about the athletes on so-called "minor sports". No less uniquely talented than their football-playing counterparts. Don't they deserve 42" TVs just as much? They get along fine without all the perks that football players seem to think they are entitled to and some seem to think they can't live without.

One of my kids was a D-I athlete at a well-known "sports school". Living within the NCAA restrictions was just a matter of paying attention.

my thinking is that, if those other sports were bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars to the schools, conferences, coaches, NCAA, the tv networks, etc, well then they could get more too

but lets face it, the mens and womens lacross teams don't bring in anywhere near what football and mens basketball rakes in