Packer players compare Lang to Colledge

[Patler]

It sounds like Colledge was an undersized, under strength guard who got by on finesse and technique. I also read between the lines that he wasn't particularly liked. Wells is another guy who doesn't move people. He gets by on smarts and technique. But everyone likes Wells. He's a natural leader. Raji can destroy him, but I'll bet he never talks shit about him the way he did Colledge. Wells is also incredibly consistent where Colledge had lapses once or twice a game.

It seems like Lang is a stronger guy and everyone seems to like him a little more.

Whatever happened exactly, nobody knows, but Colledge is a decent guard, making decent money from a coach who knows OL play (Wisenhunt) Point is, he didn't suck, he's just not as good as what we have and TT talks about lockerroom guys. . . Seems like DC wasn't one of those. There might be a few reasons he's gone, but he'll be a 10 year starter in the NFL. Not bad for him.

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

[rbaloha1]

Colledge played it safe which allowed him to stay healthy and score the big contract. Maybe the result of being pussy whipped.

[rbaloha1]

That's some serious billboard material for when the Packers and Cards meet in the playoffs. Colledge will really bring it then!

LOL. A hyped-up Colledge results in penalties and mistakes.

[Smidgeon]

That's some serious billboard material for when the Packers and Cards meet in the playoffs. Colledge will really bring it then!

Playoffs for the Cards?

[rbaloha1]

Verba wasn't pussy whipped.

Never said he was.

[RashanGary]

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

Yeah, you know more about OL play than Wisenhunt.

But yeah, the Packers seemed to always want to replace Colledge. He doesn't seem like he was liked much in the lockerroom. Those were some unusual comments from Raji and Pickett.

If I had to guess, I'd say Colledge's #1 quality was availability. Is #2 redeeming quality was that he was a functional starter at LG. Maybe there aren't as many of them as you think.

But who knows exactly what Colledge is as a player. None of us know-it-all. Well, except you, of course. You know it all. A lot like Colledge did.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

You have it all figured out, right down to the reasoning behind Arizona's contract offer and even the merit of it. Thanks for Patlerizing me. You really proved me wrong there.

The football know-it-all has spoken. [/thread] [/thread]

[Upnorth]

It suprises me to see how much he is making. I belive this year he would be a backup on our line, yet is making good money elsewhere.

[Patler]

Yeah, you know more about OL play than Wisenhunt.

But yeah, the Packers seemed to always want to replace Colledge. He doesn't seem like he was liked much in the lockerroom. Those were some unusual comments from Raji and Pickett.

If I had to guess, I'd say Colledge's #1 quality was availability. Is #2 redeeming quality was that he was a functional starter at LG. Maybe there aren't as many of them as you think.

But who knows exactly what Colledge is as a player. None of us know-it-all. Well, except you, of course. You know it all. A lot like Colledge did.



There's a Patler gem for ya. Yeah, Patler, you have it all figured out, right down to the reasoning behind Arizona's contract offer and even the merit of it. Thanks for Patlerizing me. You really proved me wrong there.

A little testy this morning, aren't you? I guess I should have said "In my opinion...." but I thought that was assumed, since neither you nor I really know a damn thing about running an NFL team and this is a fan site for opinions.

I don't have it anymore figured out than say, ...oh..., maybe you and most other fans. But I do have opinions just like, ...oh, maybe you and most other fans. You often give very strong opinions about the abilities and performances of players. Why are you so offended when I do? Just because I quoted you? I wasn't trying to "prove you wrong" I was merely trying to continue the discussion. Sometimes if I don't quote, intervening posts by others make it a bit disjointed. I was just offering a countering opinion.

Now to some of the specifics you raised:

Just because Whisenhunt is the coach, it doesn't mean he was the one who wanted Colledge. It could have been more the idea of Graves or even one of the Bidwells. I don't know who makes those decisions in Arizona. It wouldn't be MM in Green Bay, why does it have to be Whisenhunt in Arizona? For all we know, Whisenhunt may not even want Colledge, but has to deal with him.

Whisenhunt was a TE coach and an OC, does that make him infallible in judging every player on an O-line? Even if he does want Colledge and even if he was responsible for the contract, does that make him right and TT wrong? Apparently TT did not see a reason to offer a long term, relatively pricey contract for Colledge. In the end, either might be right or wrong.

(BTW - and this has little to do with our current discussion - Did you catch the snippet implying the Packers had been interested in Colledge on a deal, no longer than two years? That's the first I have seen about them maybe having had discussions with Colledge's agent. I thought it was kind of interesting.)

Besides, very skilled, knowledgeable and successful football professionals make mistakes all the time and overpay for players who don't earn it, or let talented players get away they later wish they had kept.

As to overpaying for Colledge, it has been discussed on here following an article in JSO or the GBPG last spring that the Packers would lose players because teams often overpay for the FAs of Super Bowl Champs. IN MY OPINION ( ) this may have happened with Colledge.

[Joemailman]

Playoffs for the Cards?

Take a look at their division. If Kolb is just decent, I think they win it.

[Fritz]

It may be that Lang is just a nastier, meaner football player, which the d-linemen see as an asset to the team.

[RashanGary]

I've seen this type of thread before. Start a topic without really sharing your opinion on it, just open the door. Then when someone makes a post about the topic you disagree with, you come with a list of evidence/context that is in stark contrast. More than actually saying anything, it discredits the post before.

The way it's done, it feels like the old, I gotchya bait and hook tactic. A direct post would have started with the topic opener and been followed by some thoughts and opinions on the matter. The timing of the whole list coincidentally ended in the classic "Patlerized" "I gotchya" routine. Either you just happen to be smarter than everyone else and you just happen to show people up in a way that has been affectionately titled, "patlerized." or you open these topics, wait for an opportunity and then pounce.

You probably don't even know you're doing it. Subconsciouses are a bitch that way. We have a funny way of chasing feelings that feel good and avoiding ones that feel bad, even if we don't know it. You seem to like that feeling of patlerizing people.

There are plenty of smart people here and across the web. Smart as you, smart as tacks. There aren't many of them who patlerize people on a regular basis.

Thing is, I never said anything about Colledge being worth his money or him being a good guard. Your post read like an, "I gotchya." I don't even know why you quoted me to share your thoughts and opinions on the matter. Those would have been equally effective to start the thread. But then you would have missed your "gotchya" opportunity.

[Bossman641]

And here I thought Patler just liked using stats to back his thoughts.

IMO, I didn't get the feeling he was trying to trap anyone at all.

Colledge is what he is, an average guard with certain warts (strength in run-blocking and occasional mental lapses). I still think people give him unfair criticism to an extent. A second round pick who will more than likely have a 8-10 year career as a starter certainly doesn't suck.

[bobblehead]

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

If we were in FYI you would argue that people make their own "luck". Availability was Colleges strongest attribute and it was worth more than Jason Spitz's strength.

[bobblehead]

Colledge=Sherrod, both LT's in college, both tried at G when they arrived, the difference is a younger Clifton when Colledge got here versus a need now at LT since Cliffy is about to retire, reverse these two guy's and the time frame, and it's about the same thing, Colledge would have been a better tackle than he's ever been at G, however we needed G's when he got here, and I'am sure thats what Colledge is pissed about and has a resentment over, who wouldn't be in his shoes, add that to Colledge reworking his skillset as best he could to play G, not practicing at T, then being thrown to the wolfs (jarrod Allen) and failing miserably, easy to see his confidense was shaken, not so much sticking up for Colledge, just understanding his mindset on this a little.

I always thought Colleges best spot was RT. He was simply too small physically to play LT in the NFL. I figured that out after he played several games there. Sherrod is what? 330? Much bigger than DC, longer arms, moves like a LT, slides like an LT. DC never slid like Sherrod does.

[bobblehead]

And here I thought Patler just liked using stats to back his thoughts.

IMO, I didn't get the feeling he was trying to trap anyone at all.

Colledge is what he is, an average guard with certain warts (strength in run-blocking and occasional mental lapses). I still think people give him unfair criticism to an extent. A second round pick who will more than likely have a 8-10 year career as a starter certainly doesn't suck.

I agree JH overreacted a bit, but Patler did quote him and didn't actually offer any stats, just opinions...which I disagreed with for the most part. JH shouldn't take it personally, but then, we all do that at times.