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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zool View Post
    He has all the physical talent in the world and made plenty of rookie mistakes. He was only charged with 1 pic, I think a second was negated by penalty. He looks like a very talented rookie. I'm not worried about the Packers playing the Panthers this week. Dom will bring him back to earth.
    I'd be more confident if the Packers D looked like they were capable of making stops outside the red zone. That and the possibility of Williams missing the game means they better get their act together fast.

    I know they were up against a really good offense last week, but they still made it look better than it normally does.
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    • #32
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      • #33
        Terry Bradshaw says Cam Newton is no damn good, worse than Vince Young. He names 4 rookies QBs who will be better.

        Cam Newton will adjust to pros and be a dominant player.

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        • #34
          The interesting thing about Newton against the Cardinals is that he was asked to make no reads at the line. He was just told what play to run, and he ran that play. This certainly won't always be the way, but I doubt this will correct itself before Sunday.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
            The interesting thing about Newton against the Cardinals is that he was asked to make no reads at the line. He was just told what play to run, and he ran that play. This certainly won't always be the way, but I doubt this will correct itself before Sunday.
            Where did you get this info? This contradicts Merril Hodge's film breakdown.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
              Terry Bradshaw says Cam Newton is no damn good, worse than Vince Young. He names 4 rookies QBs who will be better.

              Cam Newton will adjust to pros and be a dominant player.

              Agree. Already somewhat dominant. Rookie spread qbs have progressed greatly from Alex Smith.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                Where did you get this info? This contradicts Merril Hodge's film breakdown.
                I watched the game. Never once did Cam Newton make a pre-snap adjustment. Hodge noted that Newton had observed that a defensive call would leave a receiver minimally covered and that he should throw to that guy, but he has neither the authority nor the responsibility to change the play at the line.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                  but he has neither the authority nor the responsibility to change the play at the line.
                  Says who? What happens when too many players are in the box and there is not enough blockers?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                    Says who? What happens when too many players are in the box and there is not enough blockers?
                    It is my understanding that he is supposed to run in those situations. That's what the game indicated, at least.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                      It is my understanding that he is supposed to run in those situations. That's what the game indicated, at least.
                      Can not run in those situations -- must find the hot receiver which requires communication between qb and receiver. Obviously, Cam is not Peyton Manning. All qbs have basic checkdowns and ability to change the play (except Cutler with Martz).

                      Are you questioning Cam's intelligence?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                        Can not run in those situations -- must find the hot receiver which requires communication between qb and receiver. Obviously, Cam is not Peyton Manning. All qbs have basic checkdowns and ability to change the play (except Cutler with Martz).

                        Are you questioning Cam's intelligence?
                        No, not every QB has the authority to change the play. Martz the OC as you indicate, but also young players are infrequently given the authority to audible. Even Favre had to earn it under Holmgren. In some cases, QBs do not even call out protections like experienced vets would.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                          The interesting thing about Newton against the Cardinals is that he was asked to make no reads at the line. He was just told what play to run, and he ran that play. This certainly won't always be the way, but I doubt this will correct itself before Sunday.

                          They're also doing something similar to what Stubby did with Rodgers in 2008 - they are only having him read one half of the field every passing down. As we all know, you can be really effective with that, but you'll just flat out miss on some plays because everything is covered up and you can't adjust - you either throw it away, throw a dangerous pass, take a sack, or tuck 'n run.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                            No, not every QB has the authority to change the play. Martz the OC as you indicate, but also young players are infrequently given the authority to audible. Even Favre had to earn it under Holmgren. In some cases, QBs do not even call out protections like experienced vets would.
                            Favre did check-out of plays but got reamed by Holmgren

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                              They're also doing something similar to what Stubby did with Rodgers in 2008 - they are only having him read one half of the field every passing down. As we all know, you can be really effective with that, but you'll just flat out miss on some plays because everything is covered up and you can't adjust - you either throw it away, throw a dangerous pass, take a sack, or tuck 'n run.
                              Correct. Hodge demonstrated this. Does not mean Cam can not change plays under an obvious unfavorable front.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                                Correct. Hodge demonstrated this. Does not mean Cam can not change plays under an obvious unfavorable front.
                                But he's also encouraged to improvise once a play breaks down. This is actually his best characteristic as a pro passer (much like Roethlisberger or Romo, just much less experienced).
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