NFC North Quarterback Ratings 2011

[superfan]

Surprised Fouts highest was 90.

Me too, Fouts has always been one of my favorite players. He managed a 93.3 rating in 9 games in 1982 and 92.5 in 10 games in 1983. He only had 3 seasons in which he played in all 16 games, and in those seasons his INTs were 17 once and 24 twice. All those picks are a drag on the rating.

[smuggler]

That was a different era, though. INTs were more accepted then, so QBs didn't try to prevent them as much.

[Guiness]

Could've won a lot of money in Vegas betting that his QBR would go up again this week.

Does anyone have his cumulative rating for the year?

[Upnorth]

Could've won a lot of money in Vegas betting that his QBR would go up again this week.

Does anyone have his cumulative rating for the year?

Unless I dont understand your question it is 130.7, or do you mean for all his years?

[Upnorth]

So Cumulativley he is (reg season)

1218 Comp, 1847 Attemps, 15263 yrds 114 tds 34 ints. I punched this in to an online calc and got 104.3 passer rating.

[Guiness]

No, I did mean this year. I thought it was cumulative, but wasn't sure.

So, the reason his rating keeps climbing is because of the shitty display in week 3, with a rating of 111, which made his rating dip to 120

Life is just a big bowl of cherries, eh?

[Deputy Nutz]

That was a different era, though. INTs were more accepted then, so QBs didn't try to prevent them as much.

They way the game was refereed made a big difference as well. Up until the early 2000s CBs could put their hands on receiver down field and not get holding penalties, it was either a pass intereference call or it was a good defensive play.

It was after the 2002 AFC playoff game when the Patriots' defensive backs beat the living shit out of the Colts wide receivers and Payton Manning broke down in tears arguing for calls. That is when the game effectively changed, not to mention when the refs took away bump and run coverage in the early 90s.

[Guiness]

They way the game was refereed made a big difference as well. Up until the early 2000s CBs could put their hands on receiver down field and not get holding penalties, it was either a pass intereference call or it was a good defensive play.

It was after the 2002 AFC playoff game when the Patriots' defensive backs beat the living shit out of the Colts wide receivers and Payton Manning broke down in tears arguing for calls. That is when the game effectively changed, not to mention when the refs took away bump and run coverage in the early 90s.

I remember that game. It was really bad, it looked like Hack-a-Shaqu had come to the NFL.

Of course, it went both ways a bit more as well. Irving made a living abusing corners with a well timed push-off.

[pbmax]

They way the game was refereed made a big difference as well. Up until the early 2000s CBs could put their hands on receiver down field and not get holding penalties, it was either a pass intereference call or it was a good defensive play.

It was after the 2002 AFC playoff game when the Patriots' defensive backs beat the living shit out of the Colts wide receivers and Payton Manning broke down in tears arguing for calls. That is when the game effectively changed, not to mention when the refs took away bump and run coverage in the early 90s.

It was the point of emphasis for illegal contact after the five yard bump zone that was enacted after the Patriots defensive effort.

The five yard bump zone itself was installed in the late 70s I think (Mel Blount rule?). Bump and run remained (Raiders and Browns still played it) but it became much more common to see zone or press coverage like Sanders, Bailey and Wood play. With only one bump, most of bump and run matched press anyway.

Nutz, do you remember what rule was changed/emphasized in the 90s that altered it again?

[sharpe1027]

It was the point of emphasis for illegal contact after the five yard bump zone that was enacted after the Patriots defensive effort.

The five yard bump zone itself was installed in the late 70s I think (Mel Blount rule?). Bump and run remained (Raiders and Browns still played it) but it became much more common to see zone or press coverage like Sanders, Bailey and Wood play.

Nutz, do you remember what rule was changed/emphasized in the 90s that altered it again?

My recollection was that around 97 they "emphasized" the 5 yard rule that had been put in place in the 70's.

[Deputy Nutz]

It was early 90s because everyone made a big deal about the lack of corners been able to play bump and run and looking for corners that excelled in zone coverage schemes. Mostly it meant that defensive backs couldn't engage in hand fighting while the ball was in the air. Defense was then given some leway in the late 90s and early 2000s to get a little more physical, but apparently the fans wanted offense, and the fans are getting offense minus the running game.

[Guiness]

There was a thread about this a while back - when Harris was still here, and suddenly seemed to be getting a pile of penalties. I'm too lazy to dig it up now, but did find the rule at the time, and as it is written there is no 5 yard rule, the defender is not allowed to make contact with the receiver past the LOS.

So, they can decide to emphasize it, and make life harder on the DB's anytime they want.

[channtheman]

Week 10


Aaron Rodgers 130.7 1st overall Last week: 129.1 1st overall
Matt Stafford 89.9 9th overall Last week: 99.1 4th overall
Jay Cutler 84.4 12th overall Last week: 85.6 14th overall
Christian Ponder 69.8 DNQ-Would be 31st overall Last week 77.5

At some point, it will be tough for Rodgers to keep getting better. Stafford had a real drop. Cutler didn't need to do much. Ponder had no chance against Packers.

Week 11:

Aaron Rodgers vs. Tampa Bay
Matt Stafford vs. Carolina
Jay Cutler vs. San Diego
Christian Ponder vs. Oakland

Aaron Rodgers 128.8 1st overall
Matt Stafford 93.4 8th overall
Jay Cutler 85.7 12th overall
Christian Ponder 67.3 32nd overall (only Blaine Gabbert is worse)

Week 12:

Aaron Rodgers at Detroit
Matt Stafford vs Green Bay
Jay Cutler will not play
Chistian Ponder at Atlanta

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think the bump rules have been in effect for awhile, but the Patriots (one team) got away with mugging the Colts receivers, and that is why people were up in arms at the time. Most teams haven't been getting away with it for a long time. I remember Terrell Buckley and our corners constantly getting flagged for it when we played the Cowboys in the mid 90s? (Yet, Michael Irvin always got away with pushoffs.) Craig Newsome, Tyrone Williams, Mike McKenzie all got flagged a lot. I figure them letting Chuck get away with a PI or hold now and then is sweet revenge for our CBs never getting away with much in the 90s.

[pbmax]

There was a thread about this a while back - when Harris was still here, and suddenly seemed to be getting a pile of penalties. I'm too lazy to dig it up now, but did find the rule at the time, and as it is written there is no 5 yard rule, the defender is not allowed to make contact with the receiver past the LOS.

So, they can decide to emphasize it, and make life harder on the DB's anytime they want.

That is not the case, a defender can make contact with the receiver within 5 yards and its been that way since 1978 and the Blount rule.

The most recent alteration was a re-emphasis after the Patriots-Colts game about illegal contact (before the throw, after 5 yards).

Nutz and a few others seem to remember a change or emphasis in the early 90s that I do not recall.