Comparing the 1997 and 2011 Packers

[Patler]

i wasn't, don't go lumping me in with fritz and all his crazy over the top ideas

My remark wasn't directed at you, because you didn't say it. Fritz did. I included your quote in my post only because it was part of Fritz's post (he quoted you), and without it you can't tell what Fritz is talking about.

I have changed the format of the post. Does that relieve you concerns?

[red]

no it doesn't. where the hell is snoopy?

how am i suppose to know who i'm yelling at without pictures?

[pbmax]

Wolf has stated that he could have tried harder to resign/convince Jones to return; however, at his current rate of confession, Wolf has admitted fault in each Packer personnel decision going back to Week 3 of 1986.

I agree with hoosier. Jones in 96 was solid against the run and had little pass rush left. His game might have helped versus Broncos, certainly better than Darius Holland. But he would have been depth, not a step above Wilkins.

But more than Desmond, the biggest loss was Holmgren convincing Wolf they could no longer afford to carry Simmons at LB.

[Guiness]

But more than Desmond, the biggest loss was Holmgren convincing Wolf they could no longer afford to carry Simmons at LB.

?

What's this about? I've never heard anything about this.

[Patler]

no it doesn't. where the hell is snoopy?

how am i suppose to know who i'm yelling at without pictures?

Snoopy is gone from Packerrats.
I do most of my football posts elsewhere, and I took Snoopy there.
I don't come to the Packer board here that much anymore.

[Patler]

http://articles.philly.com/1997-05-07/sports/25565005_1_oxygen-canisters-settlement-valujet-crash

Green Bay Packers defensive end Sean Jones retired yesterday after being told he would be a reserve.
The Packers decided fourth-year pro Gabe Wilkins was ready to start at right defensive end next season.
Jones, a 13-year veteran, will join former teammate Keith Jackson in the broadcasting booth for Turner Network Television.
``My decision was made a lot easier because of an injury I had a couple of weeks ago, and broadcasting is a viable option for me,'' Jones said. ``I messed up my back and, quite honestly, I wouldn't have been able to pass the physical anyhow.''

[pbmax]

http://articles.philly.com/1997-05-0...-valujet-crash

Sorry to hear you have gone elsewhere.

The story says he was informed he would be a reserve, so there must have been some level of interest. And Wolf has stated for the record he could have done more to convince him to return. The back injury might have hurt him on a physical, but wouldn't necessarily have kept him from camp or playing that season. Of course, its possible Wolf doesn't remember the back injury.

[Patler]

The story says he was informed he would be a reserve, so there must have been some level of interest. And Wolf has stated for the record he could have done more to convince him to return. The back injury might have hurt him on a physical, but wouldn't necessarily have kept him from camp or playing that season. Of course, its possible Wolf doesn't remember the back injury.

If the back injury was no big deal, and if Jones was still interested in playing football, he could have found somewhere else to play, probably with another playoff caliber team. He didn't though.

More than anything Wolf did or didn't do, I think Jones felt it was time to leave the game, or maybe his body told him it was time to leave.

[hoosier]

Wolf has stated that he could have tried harder to resign/convince Jones to return; however, at his current rate of confession, Wolf has admitted fault in each Packer personnel decision going back to Week 3 of 1986.

I agree with hoosier. Jones in 96 was solid against the run and had little pass rush left. His game might have helped versus Broncos, certainly better than Darius Holland. But he would have been depth, not a step above Wilkins.

But more than Desmond, the biggest loss was Holmgren convincing Wolf they could no longer afford to carry Simmons at LB.

I don't have a clear recollection of what caused Holmy/Wolf to trade Simmons. Had his play declined or was it erratic behavior? Whatever it was, it is safe to say they overestimated what Seth Joyner had left at that point.

[red]

Snoopy is gone from Packerrats.
I do most of my football posts elsewhere, and I took Snoopy there.
I don't come to the Packer board here that much anymore.

blows pretty hard

[MJZiggy]

blows pretty hard

+1

[pbmax]

I don't have a clear recollection of what caused Holmy/Wolf to trade Simmons. Had his play declined or was it erratic behavior? Whatever it was, it is safe to say they overestimated what Seth Joyner had left at that point.

It was never reported as straight fact at the time that I recall. Distraction to the team or conduct detrimental to the team were the phrases bandied about, best move for all concerned, though all this should be taken with a grain of salt as my recall on this is vague.

Later, reporters would refer to this move as something Holmgren felt he had to do and they seem to give credence to his concerns. So Simmons seems to have been some sort of wildcard in the locker room and perhaps a pot stirrer, but I haven't read the specific chain of events.

[hoosier]

It was never reported as straight fact at the time that I recall. Distraction to the team or conduct detrimental to the team were the phrases bandied about, best move for all concerned, though all this should be taken with a grain of salt as my recall on this is vague.

Later, reporters would refer to this move as something Holmgren felt he had to do and they seem to give credence to his concerns. So Simmons seems to have been some sort of wildcard in the locker room and perhaps a pot stirrer, but I haven't read the specific chain of events.

He did not really distinguish himself during his time at KC as far as I remember. The one accomplishment that sticks in my mind was his contribution to the half dozen or so personal foul penalties the Chiefs defense gifted to Denver on one of the last drives of the game. If they had done an autopsy after his flaming car crash, I wonder if they would have found degenerative brain disease. Horrible thing to say.