A Hater's Take, Part II

[Harlan Huckleby]

I completely agree, but I don't think Mike Neal is going to be the saving grace of our pass rush. This defense is based on timing and the timing is off right now.

IF Neal gets back to 100%, he would make a big difference. Cullen Jenkins made a big dif when he returned from injury late last year.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hey Harv, pretty hard to stay on topic? Posters pointed out the times Favre went after players on the field, it was a normal discussion, and you go off the deep end with Favre. What the point? I don't think anyone mentioned having a 42 year old Favre on the Packer's roster. Chill out.

You don't like my take on Rodgers, go after my take, and about Rodgers.

[pbmax]

I'll take some grimaces over the alternative.

Not asking for a replacement. Looking for a leader who keeps things that belongs in the locker room in the locker room. In fact, I fear grimaces lead almost inevitably to graduation parties over OTAs.

[Deputy Nutz]

I doubt there's video on it, but I remember it vividly. I think it was the year Favre had all of the injuries at WR (2005 maybe), and there were young guys playing. Favre was in full frustration mode. A receiver would run a bad route, and he'd run down the field and physically show the receiver how to turn out rather than in... or whatever.

He did it in practice when all the receivers were hurt and nobody was their to run routes. Pactice vs game. You are better than this harvey.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with you that it's not a good thing when he lets his frustration with a teammate show. However, I wouldn't compare it to what Finley did. Finley was using the media to call out Rodgers. I'm pretty sure Rodgers has never done that, and the coaching staff would have a big problem with it if he did.

Finley did use the media, but I thought Rodgers went and voiced his displeasure with Finley on the field, and that is why reporters asked Finley about the route. I might be mistaken, but that is why I brought it up as a comparision.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In his last 12 healthy games, Rodgers has completed 257 of 392 passes (66%) for 3579 yards (9.1 ypa) with 30 touchdowns and just 3 interceptions. He's on a historic run right now. That kind of play will buy you a lot of credibility in the locker room. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing. He has the same reaction after he misses a throw (his fault) as he does when somebody drops one. However, after the game he always takes blame (sometimes unnecessary) and shows undying loyalty to his guys.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He did it in practice when all the receivers were hurt and nobody was their to run routes. Pactice vs game. You are better than this harvey.

Nope. How would I know he did it in practice? It was in the games. I remember him doing it several times too--not just once.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hey Harv, pretty hard to stay on topic? Posters pointed out the times Favre went after players on the field, it was a normal discussion, and you go off the deep end with Favre. What the point? I don't think anyone mentioned having a 42 year old Favre on the Packer's roster. Chill out.

You don't like my take on Rodgers, go after my take, and about Rodgers.

I did. It's much ado about nothing.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nope. How would I know he did it in practice? It was in the games. I remember him doing it several times too--not just once.

Because it was actually reported, unlike your claims that Favre had sarcastically jogged down the field in a middle of game to demonstrate a proper route.

[Deputy Nutz]

I did. It's much ado about nothing.

Well great, I think Rodgers is an arrogant asshole

[Deputy Nutz]

IF Neal gets back to 100%, he would make a big difference. Cullen Jenkins made a big dif when he returned from injury late last year.

I don't know how much of an impact Neal can make because he has been injured for 16 straight regular season games. But hopefully for Packer fan he can get after the passer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

1) We have no idea what Rodgers said to Kuhn. Maybe he was pissed at himself for not running it in.
2) Once again, this was a game we won almost solely because our QB was better than the other team's QB. He made plays and didn't make mistakes. Newton made plays but made mistakes. He was game MVP. Was he perfect? No. Hell, he's been so damn good that this might be one of the worst games he's played over the last 12 games, and he was still darn good. To me, it seems like you are going out of your way to rip Rodgers. Memories fade. Favre, just like all QBs, have shown frustration on the field. I saw Tom Brady yell at one of his teammates late last year. Manning does it all of the time. Maybe Rodgers doesn't have Joe Montana's cool demeanor, but if we went back, I bet even Joe showed frustration at times.

[Deputy Nutz]

In his last 12 healthy games, Rodgers has completed 257 of 392 passes (66%) for 3579 yards (9.1 ypa) with 30 touchdowns and just 3 interceptions. He's on a historic run right now. That kind of play will buy you a lot of credibility in the locker room. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing. He has the same reaction after he misses a throw (his fault) as he does when somebody drops one. However, after the game he always takes blame (sometimes unnecessary) and shows undying loyalty to his guys.

Kind of like when Favre won three MVPs in a row and we all ignored his sophmoric behavior. Then when he falls out of favor with Packer fan they crucify him and burn him in effigy. I get it, it is a what have you done for me lately fan base across the NFL, it will never change and I would expect the same thing to happen to Aaron Rodgers but he is such a kiss ass to the Wisconsin sport fan, and the Wisconsin media, he has created an image of that of Bart Star.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers right now is better than Favre in his prime. I'm happy we had Favre, and I'm even happier we have Rodgers. My only worry is that Rodgers stays healthy.


Like I said, memories of the bad things fade. I didn't just make this up--like you are insinuating. I doubt I'll find video on it, but I'm not the only one apparently who has noticed it. Once again, I could care less if Favre or Rodgers has done it. Not once did a chastise Favre for doing it at the time.

http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.php?showtopic=6504

To see Favre continually motion on the field after an incomplete pass that yet again another non-Moss receiver has ran a wrong route is not a positive sign. Add to that all of Favre’s grimacing on the sidelines when something on the field goes array. GB does not need this from Favre when he is the leader of the youngest team in the NFL.

Kind of funny to see the response from a Favre backer:

It is sort of funny that what you site above as a Brett Favre issue I am seeing as a bigger concern for AR. Brett has the tenure and respect of the players and if he is less than happy with a route he has earned the right to display if not chastise a player for it.

Both fans are hypocrits.

I don't really like to see QB's be demonstrative like that. They're on TV, and it can come off as embarrassing or belittling to teammates. I remember Dan Marino seemed to do it a lot too, especially toward the end of his career.

I think you have to factor in the fact that Favre has earned the right to do that a little bit, and that he's essentially coaching on the field at times. It may come off as pretty negative on the TV screen, but it might not be as big of a deal as you think too.

I can see where you're going with this thread, and I guess my response is that winning cures all ills. If the Packers can go out and win, then this will be no big deal. If they start losing, then this could morph into something worrisome.

I don't like the facial expressions either because of the cameras. But, I do think these are exactly the things that get WR's and QB's on the same page.

There are ways to coach up your receivers without showing them up in front of the entire world. Favre's act is getting old. Favre easily could have thrown the ball directly to Jones who had his route cut off by a defender before it started, so then he found a hole in the zone and sat there open which is not necessarily wrong, and I'm also not saying it was Favre's fault either, things happen. But there's no need to throw your receivers under the bus on national TV, which has become an all to often of an occurrence. If he's got a problem it shjould be handled on the sidelines.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This sounds exactly like my reasoning.


The difference is I'm not being a hypocrit because I never ripped Favre for doing it in the first place. Just defending Rodgers because I see QBs do it all of the time. I think it's nitpicking.

Wow, Tom Brady does this all the time and gets credited as being the team leader. Peyton Manning does this and is viewed as being the best QB in the NFL. Brett Favre does this and is viewed as being "a tired act". You guys always seem to find something. Favre was the only reason we were even in that game against JAX, and you still find fault.

Secondly, EVERY veteran QB "coaches" to some extent on the field, moreso if they are playing with younger/less experienced team mates. Manning still gets on Reggie Wayne and they've played together like 6 years now. Tom Brady's looks of disgust last year happened NUMEROUS times ( in fairness, I would too playing with Caldwell and Gaffney). Elway, Marino, Young, Aikman all did it as well... especially once they were playing with players of less skill than the Dupers, Taylors, Irvins, etc that they were used to playing with.

BTW, I'm starting to think Harlan is right about Cullen Jenkins. Our defense scares me right now. At least, they are still making big plays to win games--like last year and unlike 2008.