I thought the Packers pass rush against New Orleans was decent. I thought Brees did a great job, as usual, of getting rid of the ball quickly. Against Carolina, it wasn't as good, but it looked to me like they were concentrating on keeping Newton in the pocket. On one of the interceptions, it looked like Matthews could have had a chance at a sack with an inside move, but stayed outside and was still able to rush the throw a bit.
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It could also just be a product of protecting the back end from a big play. Brees is notorious for throwing daggers deep, and Cam already showed a propensity to at least attempt to stretch the field. I don't know if that's the reason, but it's the one that came to mind when you first made that point.Originally posted by denverYooper View PostOne thing I've noticed lately: Packers seem to have given up tons of yards receiving to running backs. I was waiting for Football Outsiders DVOA to come out today because they break down the yards given up to 1 WR, 2 WR, Other WR, TE, and RB.
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114.6 yards per game receiving to running backs. The numbers fall off quite a bit after the 1 & 2 receivers, actually, and they look pretty bad right now against TEs and 3+ WR also. But the thing that really jumps out is that they've given up 30 yards per game more than the next (New England) and 70 ypg more than the league average (44.1)Code:vs. #1 WR vs. #2 WR vs. Other WR vs. TE vs. RB Rk Team DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G 26 GB -38.0% 2 13.0 96.5 -25.9% 7 9.7 29.2 56.7% 28 7.8 61.1 25.2% 22 8.2 54.5 57.1% 28 9.8 114.6
This *could* be a big problem as Forte is Cutler's favorite target in the receiving game and teams are making hay right now throwing to RBs against this front. I feel like they'll specifically game plan for Forte, though, and hopefully will be successful in blunting his impact.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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You're lucky. Tampa is playing at the same time and because the NFL considers southwest FL in the Tampa and Miami broadcast area the Bucs game will most likely be aired here so my hubby and I will have to go back to the local Packer bar to catch the game again this week.Originally posted by mmmdk View PostBtw; Packers at Bears will be shown LIVE on danish TV-3 next sunday! As will a noon game, SNF & MNF.
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And this has me concerned because Forte has been running wild so far this season.Originally posted by denverYooper View PostOne thing I've noticed lately: Packers seem to have given up tons of yards receiving to running backs. I was waiting for Football Outsiders DVOA to come out today because they break down the yards given up to 1 WR, 2 WR, Other WR, TE, and RB.
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Defense DVOA
114.6 yards per game receiving to running backs. The numbers fall off quite a bit after the 1 & 2 receivers, actually, and they look pretty bad right now against TEs and 3+ WR also. But the thing that really jumps out is that they've given up 30 yards per game more than the next (New England) and 70 ypg more than the league average (44.1)Code:vs. #1 WR vs. #2 WR vs. Other WR vs. TE vs. RB Rk Team DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G 26 GB -38.0% 2 13.0 96.5 -25.9% 7 9.7 29.2 56.7% 28 7.8 61.1 25.2% 22 8.2 54.5 57.1% 28 9.8 114.6
This *could* be a big problem as Forte is Cutler's favorite target in the receiving game and teams are making hay right now throwing to RBs against this front. I feel like they'll specifically game plan for Forte, though, and hopefully will be successful in blunting his impact.
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So my previous statement was very very wrong. I don't remember running backs getting that many yards on us. Wow talk about selective memory.Originally posted by denverYooper View PostOne thing I've noticed lately: Packers seem to have given up tons of yards receiving to running backs. I was waiting for Football Outsiders DVOA to come out today because they break down the yards given up to 1 WR, 2 WR, Other WR, TE, and RB.
Check it.
Defense DVOA
114.6 yards per game receiving to running backs. The numbers fall off quite a bit after the 1 & 2 receivers, actually, and they look pretty bad right now against TEs and 3+ WR also. But the thing that really jumps out is that they've given up 30 yards per game more than the next (New England) and 70 ypg more than the league average (44.1)Code:vs. #1 WR vs. #2 WR vs. Other WR vs. TE vs. RB Rk Team DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G DVOA Rk Pa/G Yd/G 26 GB -38.0% 2 13.0 96.5 -25.9% 7 9.7 29.2 56.7% 28 7.8 61.1 25.2% 22 8.2 54.5 57.1% 28 9.8 114.6
This *could* be a big problem as Forte is Cutler's favorite target in the receiving game and teams are making hay right now throwing to RBs against this front. I feel like they'll specifically game plan for Forte, though, and hopefully will be successful in blunting his impact.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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One other thing, are most of our sacks due to pass rush, or are they coverage sacks? It does not look like they are getting a good rush at first, but once the pocket moves they shake off the pass blocker. This pushes me towards thinking they are coverage sacks,All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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Sacks are also a matter of opportunity this early in the season. So the fact that they Panthers couldn't run and the fact that the Saints were far behind might make those sack numbers look inflated compared to the quality of the pass defense.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Yea, it sure seemed that way vs. the Saints. Vs the Panthers, not as much. 1 out of 4 (red zone) looked like a coverage sack. Newton's mobility got him out of some sacks. But then again, maybe his mobility made him subject to more sacks.Originally posted by Upnorth View PostOne other thing, are most of our sacks due to pass rush, or are they coverage sacks? It does not look like they are getting a good rush at first, but once the pocket moves they shake off the pass blocker. This pushes me towards thinking they are coverage sacks,
Your post brings up a good point: our secondary looks better than most I've seen this year, even despite the Breesplosion.When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/130293293.htmlOriginally posted by hoosier View PostWhat is with Matthews now?
reen Bay - CB Charles Woodson has a foot injury and LB Clay Matthews a thigh injury, coach Mike McCarthy said after practice Wednesday afternoon.
Neither practiced, but both are expected to play on Sunday against the Bears, McCarthy said. The two injuries are from the game against Carolina.
Woodson's is a recurrence of a foot injury he's dealt with before.
Matthews won't practice Thursday and possibly Friday. Woodson will be evaluated in the morning.
Returning to practice were CB Tramon Williams and LB Vic So'oto. Both were limited.I can't run no more
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While the killers in high places
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