Does The End Justify The Means?

[RashanGary]

So you got away with this shit? Fucking loony.

But on to the subject, winning by being a lil bitch taints the victory IMO.

No, but I used to carry a bat in my car, just in case. The point is, there is this obsession with being flat out better than people, this pride/ego that comes with beating people, head-on, at their game. Does MM go out and pass every play against the best pass rushers to prove he can man up? Does AR stand in and take shots from Suh to prove he is a man? Is that what it's about, manning up, proving your a tougher guy? If so, keep it up. Whatever. I just do what it takes.

There is something exciting about dominance, something that sort of brings awe, but at the end of the day, I think people attach more to it than it deserves.

People who think they're classier, "better" human beings. . . . I find it interesting because what does it all add up to when we die? Is there a rule of god that you telegraph your intentions in the heat of battle to be a better man? Is there a rule that you set effectiveness aside to follow rules? ? ? ? ? I don't know. . . . Does a Tiger warn the hog he's going to drop from the tree? Does the human warn the buffalo before he raises up from behind a hill with a spear? Winning, being stealthy. . . It's almost an instinct. Pride, arrogance, moral superiority. . . . . The only result of those judgements is to make us feel better about ourselves and look down on other people. . . . At the end of hte day, when human competitiveness is at it's highest, effectiveness comes to the forefront, above all else. Is football the same as eating? Logically, no. In the heat of hte moment, are emotions so heightened that it could be comparable on that level? I say, "yes."

Now, if the end result of an unexpected move is that a person suffers for your gain with no purpose, with no heat of battle instinct. . . . just flat out ruthless disregard. . . . . I tend to make a mental note not to deal with said person. But when it's time to go it's time to go and sometimes just making it happen takes over in the moment. It's not even a thought, to be better, classier, more composed. It's just act, the moment rules.

And when you go to judge people ask yourself this, "have you walked a day in their shoes?" "Have you experienced what they have experienced?" If the answer to that question is, "I don't know", you might be able to look a little deeper. Class, calm, rationality in the moment. . . . . People who are insecure usually lack those things. They tend to be more defensive, backs against the wall a little. Before you judge other people, consider what motivates them. Consider what might cause them to respond differently.

I'm sure it makes you feel good to call these guys names. At the end of the day, they're just people, just like you. God doesn't put you on a pedestal. You were not born better, are not a better person. Have an open mind, sometimes things are deeper than the surface, than the impression.

Class, outward impression. . . . Those are things that can have multiple purposes to a person, not all as classy and superior as they seem. A true superior person, does what's right when no one is looking. A true superior person does not wrong people at all, has no regrets. . . . . I've yet to meet one.

[pbmax]

See my post above. Granted my time was about an hour around each guy. Jeter wouldn't sign an autograph, while ARod was signing about 3 a minute while trying to play blackjack. Don't believe everything you read.

Was that the only thing? Because signing autographs for people I don't know while I am trying to do something else would leave me frustrated as well. I understand Jeter in this case better than ARod.

[Guiness]

No, but snip

Channeling your inner Woody, are you? No way Mad reads that!

BTW Whenever anyone starts off by saying, 'No, but...' I pretty much disregard everything that comes after.

[Guiness]

I watched that clip, and it's terrible. I think those guys should be fined. If a guy can be fined for what he does on his own time because it hurts the NFL's image, than this qualifies in that category.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/deon-grant-giants-fake-injury-rams_n_970957.html

They look like they forgot who's turn it was to fake the injury.

[channtheman]

No, but I used to carry a bat in my car, just in case. The point is, there is this obsession with being flat out better than people, this pride/ego that comes with beating people, head-on, at their game. Does MM go out and pass every play against the best pass rushers to prove he can man up? Does AR stand in and take shots from Suh to prove he is a man? Is that what it's about, manning up, proving your a tougher guy? If so, keep it up. Whatever. I just do what it takes.

There is something exciting about dominance, something that sort of brings awe, but at the end of the day, I think people attach more to it than it deserves.

People who think they're classier, "better" human beings. . . . I find it interesting because what does it all add up to when we die? Is there a rule of god that you telegraph your intentions in the heat of battle to be a better man? Is there a rule that you set effectiveness aside to follow rules? ? ? ? ? I don't know. . . . Does a Tiger warn the hog he's going to drop from the tree? Does the human warn the buffalo before he raises up from behind a hill with a spear? Winning, being stealthy. . . It's almost an instinct. Pride, arrogance, moral superiority. . . . . The only result of those judgements is to make us feel better about ourselves and look down on other people. . . . At the end of hte day, when human competitiveness is at it's highest, effectiveness comes to the forefront, above all else. Is football the same as eating? Logically, no. In the heat of hte moment, are emotions so heightened that it could be comparable on that level? I say, "yes."

Now, if the end result of an unexpected move is that a person suffers for your gain with no purpose, with no heat of battle instinct. . . . just flat out ruthless disregard. . . . . I tend to make a mental note not to deal with said person. But when it's time to go it's time to go and sometimes just making it happen takes over in the moment. It's not even a thought, to be better, classier, more composed. It's just act, the moment rules.

And when you go to judge people ask yourself this, "have you walked a day in their shoes?" "Have you experienced what they have experienced?" If the answer to that question is, "I don't know", you might be able to look a little deeper. Class, calm, rationality in the moment. . . . . People who are insecure usually lack those things. They tend to be more defensive, backs against the wall a little. Before you judge other people, consider what motivates them. Consider what might cause them to respond differently.

I'm sure it makes you feel good to call these guys names. At the end of the day, they're just people, just like you. God doesn't put you on a pedestal. You were not born better, are not a better person. Have an open mind, sometimes things are deeper than the surface, than the impression.

Class, outward impression. . . . Those are things that can have multiple purposes to a person, not all as classy and superior as they seem. A true superior person, does what's right when no one is looking. A true superior person does not wrong people at all, has no regrets. . . . . I've yet to meet one.

Holy fuck we're just talking about a faked injury.

[wootah]

Sure, but does the DC want to run the risk of a player who would not otherwise play to be in the for one down just to get a free timeout? He can't just go out there and fall down like he injured himself while jogging on the field.

Unless he's a former soccer player.

Just let one of your D-linemen 'trip' and fall on the scrub's ankle. That should do the trick.
BTW, what's with all the soccer hate PB?



It's "the beautiful game", a battle between gentlemen, refined in the 19th century by the highest level of British scholars.



Lack of fair play will always exist. I coach a soccer team of 12 to 14 year olds & last weekend we were down 1-2 at halftime against an inferior team. Literally from the first minute of the second half, the coach of opposing team was telling his guys to delay the game as much as possible, meaning to wait as long as possible for each throw-in, free kick or corner kick. When the ball went out on the left side of the pitch, he called for the player the furthest away on the right side to slowly walk over and perform the throw-in. It was insane. The game ended 1-2 and they celebrated like they won the world cup.

I'm talking about youth sports at the very lowest level here. How should we be surprised when it happens in a situation where millions of $ are on the line?

[Fritz]

No, but I used to carry a bat in my car, just in case. The point is, there is this obsession with being flat out better than people, this pride/ego that comes with beating people, head-on, at their game. Does MM go out and pass every play against the best pass rushers to prove he can man up? Does AR stand in and take shots from Suh to prove he is a man? Is that what it's about, manning up, proving your a tougher guy? If so, keep it up. Whatever. I just do what it takes.

There is something exciting about dominance, something that sort of brings awe, but at the end of the day, I think people attach more to it than it deserves.




Class, outward impression. . . . Those are things that can have multiple purposes to a person, not all as classy and superior as they seem. A true superior person, does what's right when no one is looking. A true superior person does not wrong people at all, has no regrets. . . . . I've yet to meet one.

Hey, that's what your mother said to me when I finally untied her!

[bobblehead]

Was that the only thing? Because signing autographs for people I don't know while I am trying to do something else would leave me frustrated as well. I understand Jeter in this case better than ARod.

No. Jeter was arrogant and treated those around him (his "friends") kinda shitty while Alex was humble and polite to everyone from a dealer to a porter. Jeter wouldn't even acknowledge the staff.

[bobblehead]

Does MM go out and pass every play against the best pass rushers to prove he can man up? Does AR stand in and take shots from Suh to prove he is a man?

Well, yea.

[sharpe1027]

Hey, that's what your mother said to me when I finally untied her!

I heard you were the one tied up?

[Upnorth]

So if you want to discourage the faking of injuries, don't allow the 'injured' player back on the field for 4 plays. That would discourage, but not overly penalize, and the league could say they are doing it for safety reasons.

[sharpe1027]

So if you want to discourage the faking of injuries, don't allow the 'injured' player back on the field for 4 plays. That would discourage, but not overly penalize, and the league could say they are doing it for safety reasons.

That's pretty close to what they do now. They get "injured" and are back in about 4 plays. I am not sure it would be much of a deterrent.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I just figured it was the Giants just being the pussys that they are.

[Upnorth]

That's pretty close to what they do now. They get "injured" and are back in about 4 plays. I am not sure it would be much of a deterrent.

BUt are they forced out for 4 plays? And if that is not working then make it 6.

[sharpe1027]

BUt are they forced out for 4 plays? And if that is not working then make it 6.

Not forced, but they often do not come back in for a few plays as it stands now. Part of the problem is that if teams are smart, then the guy "injured" is a package guy or part of a rotation (e.g., a dime back, a run-stopping DL, or a coverage LBer) that would not have been back right away regardless of the rule.

Part of me thinks it sucks, but another part doesn't care. Is it so important that the offense get this advantage that we need to make up a bunch of rules? In some ways, the no huddle is a gimmick and I don't really care that much if teams uses fake injuries to counter it. The offense should still be able to move the ball and score.