Hater's Take III, Packer Fan, "16-0, I don't see a team beating us!"

[Deputy Nutz]

Hold your horses you dimmed light bulbs, the Packers have played three games this season, all wins but none of them perfect. The Packers have flaws, but so does every team out there. The lock out has really led to some shotty defense around the league and the Packers need to get theiir tackling clean up. Over the past three games the Packers defense has blown coverages, and missed too many tackles. The reason this defense was some dominant at the end of last season was that the Packers did a very good job at keeping everything in front of them. They made tackles. Hawk and Bishop are not great in coverage, but they are not as bad as all the talking heads in Packerland make them out to be. It is difficult for any linebacker to cover Darren Sproles or Matt Forte out of the backfield and it was a match up that both opponent exposed in their games against the Packers. The biggest thing that Hawk and Bishop need to do is make the tackles when they are given the opportunity. Same goes for the Packers secondary.

So far this season I am not impressed with Sam Shields, Eric Walden and the entire linebacking crew. Raji isn't getting pressure up the middle as of yet but I think he will turn it on in a couple of weeks just like the rest of the Packers defense.

Penalties again were a problem. Packers are going to have to play mistake free football if they are going to go 16-0, and they are not doing it on offense. The Packers finally got Ryan Grant going. It seems he always runs well against the Bears, but he has lost a gear, he wasn't a burner to begin with but he almost has no shot at breaking a runs longer than 20 yards this season unless he pops a 4th and 1. Starks looked like crap, dancing all over the place and you can't do that against the Bears defense, they are too fast at their linebacker position. Rodgers looked good but not as good as Finley. Finley is an amazing talent who is becoming the best tight end in football.

Newhouse did a fantastic job, but as soon as Bulaga went down the Packers went into an offensive comma for about ten plays. Talk about conservative play calling. Bulaga is going to be on the shelf for a few weeks so the Packers are going to have to find some depth on the offensive line.

The Punt team were made to look like fools, but luckily a bogus holding call was made. The Punter needs to yell which direction the punt was heading. Football players have learned that since pee wee. They looked like a bunch of sheep.

16-0, you dumb bastards.

[Pugger]

If you are a hater I'm surprised you took the time to start this thread. I doubt more than one person has declared the Pack will go 16-0.

[retailguy]

If you are a hater I'm surprised you took the time to start this thread. I doubt more than one person has declared the Pack will go 16-0.

I did, that makes 2, Iron Mike did as well. That's 3, and we haven't even left the forum yet. Maybe you're the real hater?

[pbmax]

Urban legend. That penalty was right as rain.

[vince]

Right now (barring unforeseeable injuries) there isn't a team in the league that should beat the Packers, but that oblong ball doesn't always bounce the way it should as Brady witnessed this week. The Saints and Pats present the biggest threats IMO, and they appear to have the same weaknesses, perhaps bigger than the Pack's. The Packers' CB's are better, but I think Woodson's best days may be in the past. He's still plenty good enough and a great leader, but not the dominant force he was a couple years ago. I'd love to eat those words.

Long live Aarogant Rodgers.

[pbmax]

2-1-GB 31 (7:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to G.Jennings to GB 39 for 8 yards (D.Moore). GBB.
Bulaga was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
Timeout at 06:54.
1-10-GB 39 (6:47) PENALTY on GB-J.Sitton, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at GB 39 - No Play.
1-15-GB 34 (6:23) J.Starks left guard to GB 37 for 3 yards (B.Urlacher).
2-12-GB 37 (5:44) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to GB 39 for 2 yards (L.Briggs).
3-10-GB 39 (5:06) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Starks to GB 42 for 3 yards (T.Jennings).
4-7-GB 42 (4:32) T.Masthay punts 47 yards to CHI 11, Center-B.Goode. D.Hester to CHI 32 for 21 yards (M.Burnett; B.Jones).

Green Bay Packers at 4:12
1-10-GB 32 (4:12) R.Grant left tackle to GB 34 for 2 yards (A.Okoye).
2-8-GB 34 (3:34) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to GB 35 for 1 yard (L.Briggs; A.Okoye).
3-7-GB 35 (2:52) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 33 for -2 yards (J.Peppers).
Penalty on GB-C.Clifton, Offensive Holding, declined.
4-9-GB 33 (2:29) T.Masthay punts 38 yards to CHI 29, Center-B.Goode, downed by GB-J.Kuhn.

Green Bay Packers at 0:43
1-10-GB 40 (:43) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Driver.
2-10-GB 40 (:39) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Kuhn to GB 47 for 7 yards (T.Jennings; L.Briggs).
3-3-GB 47 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CHI-J.Peppers, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at GB 47 - No Play. X8
1-10-CHI 48 (15:00) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 39 for 9 yards (B.Urlacher).
2-1-CHI 39 (14:23) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 40 for -1 yards (B.Urlacher).
3-2-CHI 40 (13:38) A.Rodgers pass deep right to J.Finley to CHI 16 for 24 yards (C.Steltz). P9
1-10-CHI 16 (12:52) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 7 for 9 yards (T.Jennings).
(12:07) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Finley for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and Upheld.

After Bulaga got hurt, Sitton collected a penalty the very next play. First and 15, 2 runs after that with a virtual rookie at RT makes sense. Then an immediate INT leaves the O with no time for adjustment. Another two runs (six total plays, 2 passes, one complete) for next to nothing. And its not yet clear that Newhouse will be better in protection than run blocking.

Seventh play (not counting punts) they start a touchdown drive. Six plays to adjust to an unknown starter is pretty reasonable.

[pbmax]

Here is a reason for some alarm, though it would seem to be eminently correctable:

McGinn claims in his Insider Article today (Rating the Packers) Capers was forced to abandon zone coverage underneath the safeties after Knox caught his 40 yard pass on Peprah. He points to Woodson and Shields for failing to get proper depth on the play and leaving Peprah with little help from underneath coverage. The safety then got turned around and then beat. According to Bob, it was man coverage under the safety shell when the Packers were in 2 deep after that.

This is the downside of CBs gambling and jumping to routes before the ball is in the air. Everyone has seen Woodson do this, but Williams and Shields committed this sin versus the Bears as well. Someone has to play the zone straight for a while, or those big plays will keep happening.

[Deputy Nutz]

2-1-GB 31 (7:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to G.Jennings to GB 39 for 8 yards (D.Moore). GBB.
Bulaga was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
Timeout at 06:54.
1-10-GB 39 (6:47) PENALTY on GB-J.Sitton, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at GB 39 - No Play.
1-15-GB 34 (6:23) J.Starks left guard to GB 37 for 3 yards (B.Urlacher).
2-12-GB 37 (5:44) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to GB 39 for 2 yards (L.Briggs).
3-10-GB 39 (5:06) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Starks to GB 42 for 3 yards (T.Jennings).
4-7-GB 42 (4:32) T.Masthay punts 47 yards to CHI 11, Center-B.Goode. D.Hester to CHI 32 for 21 yards (M.Burnett; B.Jones).

Green Bay Packers at 4:12
1-10-GB 32 (4:12) R.Grant left tackle to GB 34 for 2 yards (A.Okoye).
2-8-GB 34 (3:34) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to GB 35 for 1 yard (L.Briggs; A.Okoye).
3-7-GB 35 (2:52) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 33 for -2 yards (J.Peppers).
Penalty on GB-C.Clifton, Offensive Holding, declined.
4-9-GB 33 (2:29) T.Masthay punts 38 yards to CHI 29, Center-B.Goode, downed by GB-J.Kuhn.

Green Bay Packers at 0:43
1-10-GB 40 (:43) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Driver.
2-10-GB 40 (:39) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Kuhn to GB 47 for 7 yards (T.Jennings; L.Briggs).
3-3-GB 47 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CHI-J.Peppers, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at GB 47 - No Play. X8
1-10-CHI 48 (15:00) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 39 for 9 yards (B.Urlacher).
2-1-CHI 39 (14:23) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 40 for -1 yards (B.Urlacher).
3-2-CHI 40 (13:38) A.Rodgers pass deep right to J.Finley to CHI 16 for 24 yards (C.Steltz). P9
1-10-CHI 16 (12:52) R.Grant right tackle to CHI 7 for 9 yards (T.Jennings).
(12:07) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Finley for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and Upheld.

After Bulaga got hurt, Sitton collected a penalty the very next play. First and 15, 2 runs after that with a virtual rookie at RT makes sense. Then an immediate INT leaves the O with no time for adjustment. Another two runs (six total plays, 2 passes, one complete) for next to nothing. And its not yet clear that Newhouse will be better in protection than run blocking.

Seventh play (not counting punts) they start a touchdown drive. Six plays to adjust to an unknown starter is pretty reasonable.

Bullshit. The Packers put points on the board attacking defenses not sitting tight to allow for adjustment. Adjustments are when you add an extra blocker to the right side. Getting the ball out quick is another adjustment, not running plodding draw plays. The Packers had the Chicago Bears' defense on the ropes and they took their foot off the gas pedal because of a injury to offensive linemen. I was not in favor of it, and like great Coach Hissler once said, "You put your foot on their balls and believe in it, because that is what wins championships. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots."

[Deputy Nutz]

If you are a hater I'm surprised you took the time to start this thread. I doubt more than one person has declared the Pack will go 16-0.

I have heard it multiple times on sports talk radio and also on a morning radio program. I am hearing it enough to mention it. I don't make things up

[denverYooper]

Here is a reason for some alarm, though it would seem to be eminently correctable:

McGinn claims in his Insider Article today (Rating the Packers) Capers was forced to abandon zone coverage underneath the safeties after Knox caught his 40 yard pass on Peprah. He points to Woodson and Shields for failing to get proper depth on the play and leaving Peprah with little help from underneath coverage. The safety then got turned around and then beat. According to Bob, it was man coverage under the safety shell when the Packers were in 2 deep after that.

This is the downside of CBs gambling and jumping to routes before the ball is in the air. Everyone has seen Woodson do this, but Williams and Shields committed this sin versus the Bears as well. Someone has to play the zone straight for a while, or those big plays will keep happening.

Somewhat related, "Paul Ott Carruth" broke down the Davis TD at CHTV.

[pbmax]

Bullshit. The Packers put points on the board attacking defenses not sitting tight to allow for adjustment. Adjustments are when you add an extra blocker to the right side. Getting the ball out quick is another adjustment, not running plodding draw plays. The Packers had the Chicago Bears' defense on the ropes and they took their foot off the gas pedal because of a injury to offensive linemen. I was not in favor of it, and like great Coach Hissler once said, "You put your foot on their balls and believe in it, because that is what wins championships. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots."

The Packers are able to attack defenses because of a collection of all star talent. And the way to keep that talent at an all star level is to keep its QB healthy, not to risk pass protection to a virtual rookie starter. As a former O lineman, you know that having a TE help or a RB chip is actually quite a technical feat and involves different timing and technique than a standard one on one.

The worst thing to do is to give that lineman something complicated. Fours runs, two third down passes to get his head in the game, adjust for speed and a couple of shots to the body didn't hurt a thing on the TD drive 4 minutes later.

[denverYooper]

Right now (barring unforeseeable injuries) there isn't a team in the league that should beat the Packers, but that oblong ball doesn't always bounce the way it should as Brady witnessed this week. The Saints and Pats present the biggest threats IMO, and they appear to have the same weaknesses, perhaps bigger than the Pack's. The Packers' CB's are better, but I think Woodson's best days may be in the past. He's still plenty good enough and a great leader, but not the dominant force he was a couple years ago. I'd love to eat those words.

Mostly agree but I'd add the Ravens in that mix. Despite the loss to the Titans, they look pretty tough.

[SkinBasket]

Someone needs to sober you up before you write your next article.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I personally haven't heard anybody think 16-0--except in jest on here.

[Harlan Huckleby]

McGinn claims in his Insider Article today (Rating the Packers)

I posted that article under title "Splt Wet Beaver", which was name of a lesbian band in the 90's. I want to apologize to packerrats for this lapse in judgement.

I'd be dissappointed if the Packers went 16-0. I want to have some weeping and gnashing of teeth along the way, that's part of the fun.