A Hater's Take Part 4

[vince]

It is hard to figure out what he can do better, but since I don't like the guy he needs to handle the rush better.

Hater talk. No one in the league handles the rush better than Rodgers. If he's not scorching blitzers with the highest passer rating in history, he's eluding pressure and running with his head up making pinpoint passes downfield or he's running with the ball and making good decisions scoring or sliding at the appropriate time.

Hawk is failing this season, for whatever reason is game has taken a step back from last season, same goes for Bishop who is a risk in pass coverage.

Agreed. The inside linebacking crew, especially Hawk, have not made many plays overall.

The loss of Nick Collins is proving to be costly, more costly than any injury that was suffered last season to the Packers.

Wrong. The losses of Finley, Matthews and Rodgers resulted in costly losses last year. Losing Collins hasn't cost anything that counts for anything so far. Burnett needs to have a little more Hawk in him and sit back a bit more, but the Packers have won by an average of 13 points this season, and that gap has gone up since the loss of Collins.

[MadtownPacker]

Wrong. The losses of Finley, Matthews and Rodgers resulted in costly losses last year. Losing Collins hasn't cost anything that counts for anything so far. Burnett needs to have a little more Hawk in him and sit back a bit more, but the Packers have won by an average of 13 points this season, and that gap has gone up since the loss of Collins.

Dont hate the playa hate the game!!

Damn you grabbed Nutz by the goodies and twisted them shit out of them there man. Great point.

[Pugger]

Our pass defense wasn't all that hot before Collins got hurt either.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hater talk. No one in the league handles the rush better than Rodgers. If he's not scorching blitzers with the highest passer rating in history, he's eluding pressure and running with his head up making pinpoint passes downfield or he's running with the ball and making good decisions scoring or sliding at the appropriate time.


Agreed. The inside linebacking crew, especially Hawk, have not made many plays overall.


Wrong. The losses of Finley, Matthews and Rodgers resulted in costly losses last year. Losing Collins hasn't cost anything that counts for anything so far. Burnett needs to have a little more Hawk in him and sit back a bit more, but the Packers have won by an average of 13 points this season, and that gap has gone up since the loss of Collins.

Collins is gone for the season. He is a pro bowl and all pro player. Rodgers by all means slides into those categories but he missed one game, Mathews missed one game. The only other player that compared to the length of time missed was Finley, and at that point all we could see from Finley was promise.

The rest of your statistics are arbitrary, Collins doesn't play on offense and cannot affect the total amount of points the Packers offense creates.

[Deputy Nutz]

Our pass defense wasn't all that hot before Collins got hurt either.

But he is another playmaker, the second best playmaker next to Woodson.

Fuck you guys are so awash with kool aid that you can't even recognize the significance of an injury.

[HarveyWallbangers]

But he is another playmaker, the second best playmaker next to Woodson.

Fuck you guys are so awash with kool aid that you can't even recognize the significance of an injury.

I agree with you here. Losing Collins hurts a lot.

[mraynrand]

Fuck you guys are so awash with kool aid that you can't even recognize the significance of an injury.

Collins doesn't play on offense and cannot affect the total amount of points the Packers offense creates.

You are so unawashed with koolaid that you forgot that Collins can set up the offense to score by virtue of his play - if he doesn't score points all by his lonesome. It's a significant loss.

[Upnorth]

Collins is gone for the season. He is a pro bowl and all pro player. Rodgers by all means slides into those categories but he missed one game, Mathews missed one game. The only other player that compared to the length of time missed was Finley, and at that point all we could see from Finley was promise.

The rest of your statistics are arbitrary, Collins doesn't play on offense and cannot affect the total amount of points the Packers offense creates.

Haters take is one of my favorite on going threads, well done. Collins does hurt, but his loss is like the loss of Finley last year, by itself the team can adjust but if we get more longterm injuries in the secondary look out. Finley we adjusted to by him self, but when any other recievers we injured we slowed down alot.

[vince]

Collins is gone for the season. He is a pro bowl and all pro player. Rodgers by all means slides into those categories but he missed one game, Mathews missed one game. The only other player that compared to the length of time missed was Finley, and at that point all we could see from Finley was promise.

The rest of your statistics are arbitrary, Collins doesn't play on offense and cannot affect the total amount of points the Packers offense creates.

Everyone would rather have Collins out there than Peprah. He's a pro-bowl player. Peprah's a marginal player. It remains to be seen whether his absence will cost the team anything. Maybe it will. So far it hasn't. That's a fact whether you're drinking kool-aid or haterade.

[pbmax]

vince's point stands on its own, along with Patler's earlier logic. Peprah is Peprah from last year. Burnett needs first to elevate his play and adjust to a new position -deep. His first two games of adjustments haven't cost the team yet so he has another week to adjust. It remains to be seen whether he can approach Collins level of play, but he might.

Rodgers, Matthews and Finley going out had a significant role in 4 losses if not more. While Collins is very valuable as Nutz points out, the Packers as currently constituted might be able to make it work without him. And many of the Packers Pass D problems existed regardless of Collins presence.

[Deputy Nutz]

It doesn't help their problems. I would take a missed game from Rodgers once a year or a missed game from Mathews then a whole season from your pro bowl safety

[mission]

Nice thread, I enjoy these for some reason. Good contributions by others also...

The only loss with Collins is that we had a potential this year to be even better than last at those two positions. Obviously we're back with Peprah on the field and Burnett who has at least produced up to this point equal/beyond? Collins' level. He's been involved with at least six turnovers that I can think of in four games. Obviously he's given up a couple TDs but one I can chalk up to him being iso'd on a WR ... you'd think they'd play that situation differently in the future.

Reading the thread, I've seen a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball being mentioned as under-performing. I wonder why this is true? Camp and preseason had us thinking our offense would need time to gel and that the D was causing big problems in practice for Aaron & crew. It's clear that a lot of guys -- Shields, Hawk, Bishop, Mathews, Walden ?, Tramon, Peprah, Raji ? -- just aren't up to the level we know they can play. I'd like to think the lockout had something to do with that and we'll see them tighten up in coming weeks. It would suck if it's because they all had to stop taking HGH or some crazy shit like that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think Burnett has been up to Collins normal level. I also don't think Peprah has played as well as last year, and I don't think you can assume he will.

[Pugger]

But he is another playmaker, the second best playmaker next to Woodson.

Fuck you guys are so awash with kool aid that you can't even recognize the significance of an injury.

I never said his loss was insignificant. All I said was our pass D was having issues before he got hurt. Until our pass rush improves it won't matter who is back there. If you give marginal NFL QBs time to throw DBs will get burned even if they are all All-Pros.

[vince]

I don't think Burnett has been up to Collins normal level. I also don't think Peprah has played as well as last year, and I don't think you can assume he will.

Agree. The point is, so far it hasn't cost the team anything.