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  • #1

    Cost of the Corps

    The WR corps that is.

    Just had a talk with a friend about the Packers WR corps.

    We thought you could make a good argument that the Packers have the best group of WR in the league. Then we got to talking about where we picked them up in the draft.

    DD - 7th round
    Jennings - 2nd round
    JJ - 3rd round
    Jordy Nelson - 2nd round
    Cobb - 2nd round

    Not a single 1st round pick in the bunch.

    Look at ATL:
    Julio Jones - 1st round (cost 5 total draft choices)
    Weems - Undrafted FA
    Douglas - 3rd round
    Meier - 5th round
    R White - 1st round

    Tampa was discussed in another thread:
    A Benn - 2nd round
    Briscoe - Undrafted FA
    Parker - Undrafted FA
    Stroughter - 7th round
    Spurlock - FA signing from SF
    Williams - 4th round

    Interesting to see the difference in teams' approaches.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

    -Tim Harmston
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  • #2
    While not a WR by title, I'd include Finley in our group... Same might be said for Gonzo on ATL.
    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
      While not a WR by title, I'd include Finley in our group... Same might be said for Gonzo on ATL.
      Finley - 3rd round
      Gonzo - Trade From KC (1st round )
      But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

      -Tim Harmston

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      • #4
        Recall Ron Wolf saying wr was always the toughest position to evaluate in the draft. RW never drafted a wr in the first round.

        Given the advent of college spread offenses evaluated wr is tougher. Heard Bill Polian say that wr in spread offenses run to open spots.

        Its obvious TT evaluates wrs correctly.

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        • #5
          Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman had very little ability to draft WR. They had one hit combined in Javon Walker in terms of high draft picks. It is almost better to wait on WR and Defensive line in the draft than to expell high first round picks on them. Draft defensive backs high, offensive tackles high, Starting caliber QBs high, possible pass rushers high. Running backs in terms of value can be found after round one, WRs and Defensive Tackles are sketchy so it is best to wait on guys like Cobb and Jennings then to blow high picks on high ceiling low production guys in the first round.

          I believe Robert Brooks was a second day pick maybe a 3rd round pick? I am too lazy to look it up. Freeman was a 5th rounder?

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          • #6
            Tampa's WR corps is bargain basement for sure.

            I'm surprised at UDFA's at that position. WR is such a 'tools' dependent position, you wouldn't think the guys who have the basic building blocks would slip through the cracks. Guys like DD found in the 7th round are oddities, aren't they? Any other starting WR's in the NFL that are 7th round of UDFA?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
              Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman had very little ability to draft WR. They had one hit combined in Javon Walker in terms of high draft picks. It is almost better to wait on WR and Defensive line in the draft than to expell high first round picks on them. Draft defensive backs high, offensive tackles high, Starting caliber QBs high, possible pass rushers high. Running backs in terms of value can be found after round one, WRs and Defensive Tackles are sketchy so it is best to wait on guys like Cobb and Jennings then to blow high picks on high ceiling low production guys in the first round.

              I believe Robert Brooks was a second day pick maybe a 3rd round pick? I am too lazy to look it up. Freeman was a 5th rounder?
              Freeman - 3rd round
              Chmura - 6th round
              Schroeder - 7th round
              DD - 7th round

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              • #8
                I can't believe Free was a third rounder, heck of a route runner, but he was so slow. He broke in with the Packers as a punt returner. I remember because he made a couple of nice returns and then he worked his way up the depth chart and became the number one receiver in 1996 when Brooks blew out his knee against the 49ers on Monday Night Football.

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                • #9
                  Tampa spent high picks on wide outs that didn't pan out. Clayton? From LSU was a first rounder that failed under Gruden.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                    I can't believe Free was a third rounder, heck of a route runner, but he was so slow. He broke in with the Packers as a punt returner. I remember because he made a couple of nice returns and then he worked his way up the depth chart and became the number one receiver in 1996 when Brooks blew out his knee against the 49ers on Monday Night Football.
                    Poor 40 time plus ran ugly. Body and shoulder fakes was the key to AF. Once speed was greatly diminished AF could not play in the NFL.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                      Tampa spent high picks on wide outs that didn't pan out. Clayton? From LSU was a first rounder that failed under Gruden.
                      SEC has physical specimens with primitive offenses.

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                      • #12
                        You are only talking about the initial investment and not the ongoing contracts.

                        I think with the drafting of Cobb that Robert Ferguson, I mean James Jones, certainly was expendable.

                        I hope that Donald Driver does not become expendable next season but it could be that he is asked to depart.

                        It appears that cap casualties are going to be an annual event. The Packers are overpaying Jones now but maybe not in 2 years.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                          Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman had very little ability to draft WR. They had one hit combined in Javon Walker in terms of high draft picks. It is almost better to wait on WR and Defensive line in the draft than to expell high first round picks on them. Draft defensive backs high, offensive tackles high, Starting caliber QBs high, possible pass rushers high. Running backs in terms of value can be found after round one, WRs and Defensive Tackles are sketchy so it is best to wait on guys like Cobb and Jennings then to blow high picks on high ceiling low production guys in the first round.

                          I believe Robert Brooks was a second day pick maybe a 3rd round pick? I am too lazy to look it up. Freeman was a 5th rounder?
                          Brooks was a 2nd round pick in 1992. Freeman was a 3rd round pick in1995. Wolf never drafted a WR in the 1st round. His preference was to make sure Favre was protected, so he drafted 3 Ol in the 1st round, as well as Clifton in the 2nd.
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • #14
                            Freeman was a great player. He didn't take care of his body. Incredibly savvy, similar to Jennings that way.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez View Post
                              You are only talking about the initial investment and not the ongoing contracts.

                              I think with the drafting of Cobb that Robert Ferguson, I mean James Jones, certainly was expendable.

                              I hope that Donald Driver does not become expendable next season but it could be that he is asked to depart.

                              It appears that cap casualties are going to be an annual event. The Packers are overpaying Jones now but maybe not in 2 years.
                              RF as JJ best post of day
                              All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                              George Orwell

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