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    So PFT had an article about McCarthy's reaction to Driver not having a lot of output despite being a starter, and that got me thinking. So I thought I'd take a closer look.

    Packer Receiving Stats
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    		Pos 	G 	GS 	Rec 	Yds 	Y/R 	TD 	Lng 	R/G 	Y/G 
    Greg Jennings 	WR 	5	5	29	448	15.4	4	49	5.8	89.6
    J. Finley 	TE 	5	5	22	301	13.7	3	39	4.4	60.2
    Jordy Nelson 	wr 	5	0	18	309	17.2	3	84	3.6	61.8
    James Jones 	wr 	5	0	14	228	16.3	2	70	2.8	45.6
    James Starks 	rb 	5	0	13	96	7.4	0	16	2.6	19.2
    Randall Cobb 	wr 	5	0	9	174	19.3	1	61	1.8	34.8
    Donald Driver 	WR 	5	5	9	76	8.4	1	16	1.8	15.2
    John Kuhn 	fb 	5	0	6	32	5.3	0	7	1.2	6.4
    Ryan Grant 	RB 	4	4	5	25	5.0	0	8	1.3	6.3
    Tom Crabtree 	te 	5	0	2	19	9.5	0	15	0.4	3.8
    D.J. Williams 	wlb 	3	0	1	7	7.0	0	7	0.3	2.3
    Alex Green 	rb 	3	0	1	6	6.0	0	6	0.3	2.0
    Team Total 		5	5	129	1721	13.3	14	84	25.8	344.2
    (Data from Pro-Football Reference.com)

    I don't think anyone here is surprised that Driver isn't the #2 WR. There's been a debate going on over the offseason about how he'd be leap-frogged by either Jordy or Jones this year. What surprised me is just how far down the depth chart he is--in terms of production--despite being a starter (even if nominally). In any other city, the fans would be going nuts about getting someone productive in the starting line up. But not Green Bay (which I like). They can still give the respect of the position to Driver without sacrificing production.

    Driver comes as the fifth most productive WR with one running back and one tight end producing more. He's actually tied with Cobb for the same number of receptions, but Cobb has almost 100 yards more on his receptions.

    How many other teams can get away with starting a player who isn't producing without a backlash like Green Bay is? Berrian in Minnesota, Williams in Chicago? I like the makeup of this team that doesn't complain and still produces.

    Plus, I think it's motivational for both Jordy and Jones. Or maybe not.
    No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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    jasonjwilde Jason Wilde
    Here are the wide receiver snaps, unofficially, this season: Jennings 264, Nelson 194, Driver 156, Jones 127, Cobb 63.

    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      jasonjwilde Jason Wilde
      Here are the wide receiver snaps, unofficially, this season: Jennings 264, Nelson 194, Driver 156, Jones 127, Cobb 63.

      https://twitter.com/#!/jasonjwilde/s...30793949220864
      Flip Jones and Driver, and you probably have the pecking order for the rest of the year. Nelson is really our #2 WR, Jones is probably #3, Driver is probably #4. It might not be long before Cobb moves up the depth chart either. At this point, now that he has a ring and all of the records, it seems that Driver is handling this with class.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #4
        DD is one of my all time favorites, but like another of my all time favorites (Henderson) I think his time is up. This is likely to be his last season.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • #5
          I just want Donald to get enough action to reach 10,000 career receiving yards. He's too close to not get it.
          It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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          • #6
            I have to admit, I still enjoy watching them send DD over the middle to get his ass kicked. That's about the only time they throw him the rock.
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by King Friday View Post
              I just want Donald to get enough action to reach 10,000 career receiving yards. He's too close to not get it.
              This. I think he's 291 yards away if I remember correctly when I was looking earlier today. He's gotta get it. Hopefully.

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              • #8
                I don't think Driver is really the #2 WR in any meaningful sense. But he's the top Y on the roster (though Cobb is gaining ground rapidly). I would say Jennings and Nelson are the starters.

                Long term, Jennings is your top Z, Nelson is your top X, and Cobb is probably your top Y. You probably couldn't dream up a better mentor than Driver to teach Cobb how to work the middle out of the slot in the NFL, though. It's a position that takes some smarts, and Cobb is a student of the game while the Donald is as savvy at working the middle as anybody I've ever seen. There's definitely a worse way for Driver to spend what will likely be his last year in Green and Gold than grooming a budding star.
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                • #9
                  Thanks for posting those stats Smidgeon. Your mastery of the code function is impressive. I can't figure out how to make that work right.

                  I think the offense is going to continue to evolve with Cobb getting more snaps as he demonstrates that he understands the offense. 20 yards a reception for a guy in the slot running slants and seams is impressive. I'm hoping Green can show he can protect because he is tailor-made for 3rd down situations with his ability to run out of a spread formation and catch the ball and set up blockers in the screen game.

                  Driver needs to break a big one to get to 10,000 yards. Hopefully it happens.

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                  • #10
                    Surprised to see that Driver has considerably more snaps than JJ but also less production.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                      Long term, Jennings is your top Z, Nelson is your top X, and Cobb is probably your top Y.
                      But DD may have the best "A" button stiff arm ability, or is that the "B" button?
                      All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                        Surprised to see that Driver has considerably more snaps than JJ but also less production.
                        Take off JJ 70 yard TD, and he has 150 yards...I know it's still 80 yards more, but it's not a ton more.

                        Driver does many things that go unseen. sometimes his routes cross the middle open up finley or jennings in a companion route.
                        "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                          I don't think Driver is really the #2 WR in any meaningful sense. But he's the top Y on the roster (though Cobb is gaining ground rapidly). I would say Jennings and Nelson are the starters.

                          Long term, Jennings is your top Z, Nelson is your top X, and Cobb is probably your top Y. You probably couldn't dream up a better mentor than Driver to teach Cobb how to work the middle out of the slot in the NFL, though. It's a position that takes some smarts, and Cobb is a student of the game while the Donald is as savvy at working the middle as anybody I've ever seen. There's definitely a worse way for Driver to spend what will likely be his last year in Green and Gold than grooming a budding star.
                          Terminology that nobody really give a shit about, dept.

                          Y is used by most OC's to denote the TE. Finley and the other 15 TE's are the Y's in this offense.

                          A slot guy like Cobb would be the "U". The rest of this is right. Nelson is a Y, Jennings a great Z, etc.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KYPack View Post
                            Terminology that nobody really give a shit about, dept.

                            Y is used by most OC's to denote the TE. Finley and the other 15 TE's are the Y's in this offense.

                            A slot guy like Cobb would be the "U". The rest of this is right. Nelson is a Y, Jennings a great Z, etc.

                            I care. Is Z the wide WR that is the only WR on that side, while X is lined up outside of the slot (is the slot then U?)? What is the Y then, the tightest lined up eligible receiver (i.e., lined up inside of even the slot?)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KYPack View Post
                              Terminology that nobody really give a shit about, dept.

                              Y is used by most OC's to denote the TE. Finley and the other 15 TE's are the Y's in this offense.

                              A slot guy like Cobb would be the "U". The rest of this is right. Nelson is a Y, Jennings a great Z, etc.
                              Dont you mean that Nelson is the "X"?

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