Packer running game: stinks

[Pugger]

Here's some fodder to soothe your sad searching soul Harlan.

I remember those days too. Are we dating ourselves here?

[HarveyWallbangers]

All we need to fix the running game is another guy like this.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'd call 20x24 a poster. Not a classy Packer Rats poster like yourself, but a poster none the less.

OK, they blow the pic up. The only salve for this wound would be the big, classic wall poster. I saw one a few years ago for something like $300, and I don't love my brother that much.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lose or draw are not an option. Improving the run game at the cost of wins is simply not okay.

Oh come on. It is possible for a pass-first team to have a credible running game, the packers developed an OK run attack during their stretch run last year. Hopefully they will do so again.

I've seen this all before. When the Packers are losing, the devoted fans call for coaches to be fired, specific players are scape-goated, the play calling is terrible, etc.

When the team is winning, all criticism ist verbotten, especially of the high priest of the packer church, TT, The Great White Father. "Shutup, they're winning."

Well, out of such stifling human muck sometimes arises a Great Thinker, a man of independent thought: Galileo. Bob McGinn. Copernicus. Cliff Crystl. Pablo Picasso. Cleff Crusty. Einstein. And today, Harlan Huckleby.

[Harlan Huckleby]

All we need to fix the running game is another guy like this.

Last I heard, he was still playing football in the Arena league or something. Well, a couple years ago anyway. That guy must be crazy.

[Scott Campbell]

Well, out of such stifling human muck sometimes arises a Great Thinker, a man of independent thought: Galileo. Bob McGinn. Copernicus. Cliff Crystl. Pablo Picasso. Cleff Crusty. Einstein. And today, Harlan Huckleby.

None of those hacks won a Super Bowl.

[Gunakor]

Oh come on. It is possible for a pass-first team to have a credible running game, the packers developed an OK run attack during their stretch run last year. Hopefully they will do so again.

I've seen this all before. When the Packers are losing, the devoted fans call for coaches to be fired, specific players are scape-goated, the play calling is terrible, etc.

When the team is winning, all criticism ist verbotten, especially of the high priest of the packer church, TT, The Great White Father. "Shutup, they're winning."

Well, out of such stifling human muck sometimes arises a Great Thinker, a man of independent thought: Galileo. Bob McGinn. Copernicus. Cliff Crystl. Pablo Picasso. Cleff Crusty. Einstein. And today, Harlan Huckleby.

No, the running game didn't suddenly come on during their stretch run. They had ONE good game on the ground. One. Against Philadelphia. Other than that it was a bunch of 60-70 yard performances from Starks. Performances that have been equalled by the tandem of backs employed to start 2011. We won in spite of that then, and we're winning in spite of that now.

We're not talking about simply a pass first team here in Green Bay. It's pass first, pass second, and then run third - but only to keep everybody from rushing 7 guys on every first and second. And quite frankly, it's hard to argue the results. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our run game right now. It keeps defenses honest, which is all it's supposed to do. We call run plays so AR can run play action and hit Greg Jennings for 80 yard TD passes. Which, by the way, is far more exciting than watching a bull run into a brick wall.

[Fritz]

I say we fire Shawn Slocum, the Kurt Schottenheimer of our time.

Not only will that automatically fix special teams, it might help the running game and fix Greece's problems, too.

[Scott Campbell]

No, the running game didn't suddenly come on during their stretch run. They had ONE good game on the ground. One. Against Philadelphia. Other than that it was a bunch of 60-70 yard performances from Starks. Performances that have been equalled by the tandem of backs employed to start 2011. We won in spite of that then, and we're winning in spite of that now.

We're not talking about simply a pass first team here in Green Bay. It's pass first, pass second, and then run third - but only to keep everybody from rushing 7 guys on every first and second. And quite frankly, it's hard to argue the results. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our run game right now. It keeps defenses honest, which is all it's supposed to do. We call run plays so AR can run play action and hit Greg Jennings for 80 yard TD passes. Which, by the way, is far more exciting than watching a bull run into a brick wall.

It's hard to argue the results until winter weather you forces you to run the ball more. Then what?

[mraynrand]

It's hard to argue the results until winter weather you forces you to run the ball more. Then what?

Nothing. Packers can run their offense in bad weather. The greatest enemy is wind - and last Sunday v. Rams might be as bad as it gets.

Plus, I think the Packers can run better as well. Is San Fran really all that much better at running the ball? Do they really have better talent. Frank Gore that much better than Grant or the Stark plug? Still, SF gashed Detroit - in their place - for a lot of yards right into their teeth. Running the ball is mentality and blocking. Stubby can get them there, but there's no need right now - they are just too deadly doing what they do best. So long as they can pass protect, the run game is not that critical. But I still think they can grind it out if need be.

[vince]

Last year Rodgers averaged about a half pass a game more before Thanksgiving than after. Both rounded to 33 passes/game.

They averaged 25 rushes/game in September, October and November and 29 rushes a game in December, January and February. Their yards/attempt was virtually identical at 3.8 both early and late.

So far this year, Starks and Grant have combined to average just under 4.3 yds/attempt.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We won in spite of that then, and we're winning in spite of that now... There is absolutely nothing wrong with our run game right now .

I'm not getting through to you morons.

Maybe the running game is good enough now to win games. Fine. That does not mean the running game is close to being as good as it can be. The blocking is lousy. I want to see a better running game FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES.

[Pugger]

I'd like to see a running game that can get a couple of yards when we really need them - like in 3rd and short.

[Upnorth]

I say we fire Shawn Slocum, the Kurt Schottenheimer of our time.

Not only will that automatically fix special teams, it might help the running game and fix Greece's problems, too.

I believe it was Slocum who started the whole sub prime crisis. He should be fired on general principale. I wish some one could get in touch with the fire ted thompson nut and convice him to target his ire at scrotum. Thats a cause I could get behind.

[Upnorth]

We have an average ground game. If our passing game was not a huge threat our ground game would be below average. Long story short I would love to see a dominant ground game, but efficent is all we need. Efficent is what we got.