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Name one team that has a dominant passing game and running game. I'm happy with the Pack having a deadly passing attack and using the run to keep the defense honest. Some people are just too greedy..we can't be the best at everything it's not Madden
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I don't know if we wish we had a dominate running game but it would be nice if we were a little more efficient at it and could get the yards when we really need them. It would also be great if we could run the ball especially late in the 4th quarter and get a couple of first downs to seal a victory.Originally posted by steve823 View PostComment
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I get your point and agree to a certain degree. While it would be nice to be able to run the clock down or run it and know we will get the first, I still think teams should do what they are best at. Packers can pass the ball exceptionally well and should stick to their strength. Not to say that we shouldn't ever run, but sometimes it's best to stick with what works.Originally posted by Pugger View Post
Also, I don't think our running game is necessarily as bad as people on this board are making it out to be. We have a solid duo in Starks/Grant who are both averaging a respectable 4.3 yards per carry. While me might not be able to run it willingly on our opponents and shove the ball down their throat, our RB's do a decent job with the room they get when defenses try to focus on our passing game.Comment
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Harlan, if you're interested in seeing certain aspects of the game for entertainment purposes, why not tune in to the lingerie league? You might see a lot of gashing there."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
Exactly what the Packers did in the NFCCG in Chicago. Throw the ball to Greg Jennings.Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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I don't know, the pygmy football league might be funnier. I'd rather watch cunning runts than running ladies.Originally posted by Fritz View PostComment
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Ya, but they can execute the running game a lot better than they are.Originally posted by steve823 View Post
To mercifully change the topic a bit: I would love to see the nfl report the median ypc as well as the average ypc. (median means if they had 40 runs, what was the 20th longest one.) That stat gives a much better indication of what you can expect from a typical run.
Sounds like a picky point, but the average ypc gets so skewed by a couple big runs. The advantage of the average is that it gives credit for the back who is capable of breaking a long one, valuable because that threat keeps defenses in check more.
It would be useful to see both the median and the average.Last edited by Harlan Huckleby; 10-21-2011, 03:11 PM.Comment
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Even in a perfectly designed run game, hat-on-hat, there will always be 2 guys not blocked. They usually are the Safeties. You will probably have that jihad if you were a fan of any NFL team.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostBut Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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ya, that's true. usually the back has to beat a linebacker to get 4+ yards and beat a safety too to get 8+.Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
Just because a team is winning doesn't mean all phases of their game are strong. Packers can improve on downfield blocking, its a question of attitude, maybe they are complacent because they have superman winging the passes.Comment
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When did I say the bolded above? I stated that there will always be free defensive players on a running play. Usually it is the safeties because they are lined up the farthest from the line of scrimmage and the hardest to effectively engage. Hence no need for a jahid.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
In the run game the O almost never accounts for the safeties unless a team is putting 8 in the box. The O "leaves" it to the RB to beat the safey 1-on-1.But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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To me the Packers run game has been fine this year. It does exactly what it is supposed to do which is to take pressure off of the passing game. The Packers are a passing team and built to win games with the pass. We would not have as much tied up in WR contracts if that wasn't the fact. The Packers were spending $16.99M on the WRs before Jordy was extended. We are only spending $7.28M on our RBs and Grant gets the largest share by far with Kuhn coming in 2nd. Straks and Green don't make $1M combined. Adrian Peterson now makes more than our whole RB corps. Our team isn't built to run the ball down the other teams' throats to win games.But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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Can any team run the ball down the other team's throat to win a game any more?
The Jest? What's their pass/run ratio?"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Given the status of certain QBs in the league here is a list of teams that I feel need to run it down the other teams throat.Originally posted by Fritz View Post
Oakland, Baltimore, NY Jets, NY Giants, Jacksonville, Miami, MINN, SF, KC
Here is a list of teams I think can run it down the other teams throat.
Oakland, MINN, Buff, SF
PHI has the #1 run game in the league at 170 ypg but it "seems" like Vick has a lot to do with that.But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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Since the team is undefeated, you can stand by this conclusion if you don't want to look any deeper. If you are a football fan that watches the games closely, you'll notice the run blocking is shoddy. The best sports writers, such as McGinn & Chrystl, have made this observation. The coaches are perfectly aware that the run game needs work.Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
In describing one of those areas - the running game - McCarthy stated that it's not exactly the way it's supposed to look right now.
The running game has been the soft spot in an offense that throws the ball as efficiently as any in the NFL, protects its star quarterback, is tied for the league lead in receptions of 40 or more yards and ranks first in scoring.
The victory over the Rams begged for the Packers to come out in the second half and dominate the game with their running attack. Ahead, 24-3, at halftime, the Packers should have been able to pound away on first and second down against a defense ranked dead last in the NFL in rushing yards allowed.
Instead, their backs gained just 43 yards and three first downs on 14 carries. From his standpoint, offensive coordinator Joe Philbin didn't see his offensive line sustaining blocks and giving Ryan Grant and James Starks much room to run.
"You have to block and break tackles," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "I don't want to say it's all on the offensive linemen and that they're not blocking worth a lick. It's certainly more than that. The run game productivity overall has to get better."
Saying the cause was right tackle Bryan Bulaga playing in his first game back from a knee injury or Marshall Newhouse starting his first game at left tackle would be an excuse because there were breakdowns all over the line.
No kidding? The run game still needs work, the shortcomings have been masked (to the casual or idiot fan) by the success of the pass game.Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
edit: to be clear, you strike me as a very casual sort of guy. the idiots are other people.Last edited by Harlan Huckleby; 10-21-2011, 08:10 PM.Comment
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"Pack can't run to close out a game." Nyah Nyah Nyah!
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