The Raiders

[hoosier]

Don't laugh. If the Chargers underperform again, the Raiders could actually make the playoffs for the first time since like 1980. Surely that is worth two 1s!

[Brandon494]

They over payed for Palmer but I like the move.

[MadtownPacker]

They over payed for Palmer but I like the move.

So it's official? Raider lubbers over here was saying they had picked up David Garrard.

[MadScientist]

So it's official? Raider lubbers over here was saying they had picked up David Garrard.

They'd have to pick up Garrard. With the back injury he can't pick him self up.

Palmer for an insane amount is a done deal.

[sheepshead]

12-15 teams start every season NOT knowing who their starting QB is gonna be. This is an opportunity to not be one of those teams for a while. The price of poker is high at that table(just ask the bears) but I think I would have done it too.

[Guiness]

So it's official? Raider lubbers over here was saying they had picked up David Garrard.

Garrard had back surgery.

[MadtownPacker]

Garrard had back surgery.

Well thats fucked up.

This kinda of shit is what happens when you listen to raiders fans.

[smuggler]

Yep. This is a done deal. I don't know when he'll be playing, but Palmer is their starter once he's in game shape. a 2012 1st round pick and a 2013 2nd rounder that becomes a 1st if the Raiders win a playoff game this season.

[Upnorth]

Palmer is an upgrade if healthy. The last few years he has had some mobility issues that have cost his team. Do the raiders have a good pass block oline? Who got Campbell killed? I think the biggest benefit here is the bengals. They can help dalton with oline and a skil player with this trade. There d is already very good.

[MadtownPacker]

Yep. This is a done deal. I don't know when he'll be playing, but Palmer is their starter once he's in game shape. a 2012 1st round pick and a 2013 2nd rounder that becomes a 1st if the Raiders win a playoff game this season.

He will be playing in Lambeau for sure this Dec.

[KYPack]

He will be playing in Lambeau for sure this Dec.

The Cincy papers are saying the Raiders must get in the AFCCG for the second pick to morph into a 1.

A 1 and a 2, two 1's, either way it's a huge price. The old crypt-keeper would be proud of that deal.

[Guiness]

Well thats fucked up.

This kinda of shit is what happens when you listen to raiders fans.

Indeed. That'll learn ya.

According the Garrad's agent, Oakland did contact him.
http://jacksonville.com/sports/footb...Times-Union%29

[pbmax]

I read the conditional pick upgrades if they win one playoff game? That fits the AFCC game scenario if you assume a division win and first round bye.

Better question: If you were Reggie McKenzie and the Raiders now had a Ditka-Saints-Ricky-Williams draft coming up, do you still want the job?

Best question: Wolf was supposed to be on the Raiders committee to scout for GM candidates. Did he know about this? Did he encourage it?

[pbmax]

PFT says its Chamionship Game or no conditional pick upgrade. KYPack's Cincinnati sources are confirmed: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-playoff-game/

[Patler]

Better question: If you were Reggie McKenzie and the Raiders now had a Ditka-Saints-Ricky-Williams draft coming up, do you still want the job?

Best question: Wolf was supposed to be on the Raiders committee to scout for GM candidates. Did he know about this? Did he encourage it?

Those are very good questions. If McKenzie really believes in a build through the draft policy, he would be going there without the ability to enact his philosophy for the next two drafts. Essentially, his success will be judged on his ability to perform under someone else' philosophy.