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    From ESPN Insider
    Want a total misconception about the current success of the Green Bay Packers? Start with Aaron Rodgers.

    One narrative you've heard is about how Rodgers fell down the draft board, and the team, despite its then-health at the quarterback position, drafted him and had to let him hold the clipboard until he was ready. He was talented and ready to start somewhere else, but, blocked by Brett Favre, Rodgers waited. The team would face the annual conundrum of what to do -- maintain the current success, or dive into the future? It waited. So now the current Packers are Super Bowl champions, and, because of the great patience Green Bay showed, they were rewarded.

    And this is nice, if only it were 100 percent true.

    What it does is overlook the fact that the Packers didn't just draft Rodgers and stow him away like some good wine that would become great if opened later. They worked with him incessantly and had a quarterback expert re-engineer his release, which was a weakness out of Cal. Rodgers was a good prospect and had a chance to be a good player, but the Packers had to diligently refine him and build him into a great quarterback. He didn't just hold a clipboard and wait his turn. They didn't wait patiently; they worked a quarterback who -- regardless of what he claims about the joys of offseason work -- is much better for all the time he has put in and the thousands of throws nobody will ever see.

    It's important to point this out because it's far more indicative of the state of this current roster than people realize. The Packers survived a mountain of injuries last year not just because they had enough depth to fill holes but because they had enough effective depth, guys they had chosen over others because they created a culture of competition just to crack the roster.

    I said it weeks ago: I think this team has a real shot to go undefeated if that's really its goal. Visits to San Diego and Detroit might be the biggest hurdles, or even the trip to face what could be a desperate Giants team. But Green Bay will be favored in each and, when firing on all cylinders, is clearly the league's best team.

    But the potential dynasty is less important to me than how it got to this point, and I wanted to point out some observations about why the Packers are in these types of discussions.

    Start with sheer volume. Over the past seven drafts, the Packers have drafted a whopping 68 players. Sure, not all of them will stick, but when you are piling up so many picks, and bringing in a lot of undrafted free agents, you're giving yourself a chance to pick from a vast pool of talent. He doesn't like to hear it, but they have one of the best directors of college scouting you can find in John Dorsey, and he's been there for this whole building process. And Dorsey and staff don't just see overlooked talent, they see flaws that can be corrected.

    When the Packers have called on talent to step up and fill in for injured players and not experienced a huge drop-off, it's also a product of bringing in so many guys and seeing who could emerge from that group just to get a roster spot. This team can see a great talent such as Rodgers or Clay Matthews, but it doesn't use a star system. From a mountain of picks to the many undrafted free agents the Packers have signed, they create competition. Make it and you've earned it.

    Then there's development. You look at Green Bay's recent drafts and you're not seeing a bunch of players who showed obvious talent as a rookie only to break through. In fact, a number of key players on the current roster did very little to signal they'd be good players. Jermichael Finley caught a whopping six passes as a rookie after the Packers were high on him as a third-round value out of Texas in 2008. Jordy Nelson should crack 1,000 yards receiving this season, but he has been merely a good complementary player for his first three seasons and looked expendable to many. The Packers didn't agree. B.J. Raji was being called a bust toward the end of his rookie season, but the Packers didn't really expect a ton out of him even though he was drafted 17 spots ahead of Matthews. Raji was making a position switch, and their willingness to not write him off and to stick with the developmental process has yielded results. Josh Sitton was drafted as a tackle in the fourth round in 2008 and now is among the league's best guards.

    These aren't unique cases of development -- you can point to developmental stories on any team -- but they are numerous in Green Bay. The team gets a player in and works him from top to bottom. Maybe this sounds controversial, but I don't think you get a case like Aaron Maybin with the current Packers. I'm not saying it's all on the Bills that he didn't dignify his draft status in Buffalo. But with the current Packers, I don't think he'd arrive to camp way underweight and seemingly out of any sense of a program.

    What the Packers have done is fostered a culture of talent but also one of resourcefulness and development. They have a chance to be something of a dynasty not because they are hitting draft home runs but because they're hitting a lot of singles and manufacturing a ton of runs out of those singles. After all, it was years before Rodgers even got to the plate.

    The key with Green Bay for me is that when a player is not contributing, the team makes it clear that it's not a time to sulk. It's a time to work
    I thought it was a great read ? Thoughts ?

  • #2
    Yep. Thanks for posting that CaptainD.

    "They have a chance to be something of a dynasty not because they are hitting draft home runs but because they're hitting a lot of singles and manufacturing a ton of runs out of those singles."

    That says a lot, but Thompson has his share of home runs to go along with all those RBI hits.

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    • #3
      Players are like chess pieces...when used properly, even the least powerful pieces can produce dramatic results. The Packers have been built to win from top to bottom using the mold devised by Ron Wolf. Wolf did it on his own in the 90s...and now it is being replicated by his disciple Thompson.

      This team has a chance to be very dominant for a long time.
      It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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      • #4
        Great article. Helmet-hair hit the nail on the head.
        All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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        • #5
          Thbbbbpt. What does a "so-called" expert like Kiper know? All he does is bring up players that everyone talks about. How many of his Best Available turn out to be busts? When has he ever run a front office? I bet he can't draft a thank-you note.

          Oh, he said something good about us? I always liked the guy.

          Just kidding. That was a good article. While Rogers was being not tutored by Bert, MM made him give the cornerback report during the weekly QB meetings, then made him mentally diagram every offensive play during the games. In every level of football, development is the key to a winning roster. It seems it's more possible to screw up good players than it is to improve middling players, yet somehow TT and our coaching staff pull it off.
          I believe in God, family, Baylor University, and the Green Bay Packers.

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          • #6
            I am with bruin. I am not a kiper fan, but this pretty much nailed it.
            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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            • #7
              I am in a small group of people that have never really criticized TT over the years. Not because I was so smart. Quite the opposite. The only thing I did know is that those guys have far far more information then we can ever hope to have. This inside look also says they are ready to develop guys and the lesson for us is the college game is no indication of success at the pro level necessarily. I'm reminded of the movie 'Moneyball' reading this. Good find.
              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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              • #8
                Great article post Capt. Good read, but I hate listening to kiper normally.
                All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                George Orwell

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                • #9
                  TT has obviously done a remarkable job (as did Wolf in the 90's) but you also have to give credit to Harlan and the fact that we're not privately owned. Harlan gets props for allowing TT to do things his way (slow and with purpose) and not being privately owned prevents the knee jerk reaction of one individual.

                  It's a damn good time to be a Packer fan. Wait, it's always a damn good time to be a Packer fan but now it's with the realistic possibility of more super bowl appearances annually on the horizon.

                  Oh, and great post CaptainD - one of the few times I agree with helmet head.
                  60% of the time it works every time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sheepshead View Post
                    I am in a small group of people that have never really criticized TT over the years. Not because I was so smart. Quite the opposite. The only thing I did know is that those guys have far far more information then we can ever hope to have. This inside look also says they are ready to develop guys and the lesson for us is the college game is no indication of success at the pro level necessarily. I'm reminded of the movie 'Moneyball' reading this. Good find.
                    Great post sheepshead.

                    The key with Green Bay for me is that when a player is not contributing, the team makes it clear that it's not a time to sulk. It's a time to work .... Kiper

                    We all can learn something from this quote above and store it in OUR grey mater for success in OUR lives overall. (-:

                    PACKERS FOREVER!
                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                    ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                    ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                    ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                      We all can learn something from this quote above and store it in OUR grey mater for success in OUR lives overall. (-:

                      Thank you for that inspiring message.

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                      • #12
                        IMO Kiper nails it down here very well. The thing I've seen is the way our teams coach's have worked so hard in their developmentle program. The past season workouts and consistent week in week out consistency in sticking with 'the PROGRAM' and the Packer players buying into that, even shows up this season given the prolonged lock out. Also we hve some solid eadership among the Packer players.

                        I can well magine that locker room and the respect players like Donald Driver, Charles woodson and Chad Clifton must garner. Even though two of these key Packer players are nearing the end of their playing dys in Green Bay. They most deservedly have a huge influence in what can 'only' be deemed an outstanding success for TT and his Coach's and the Green Bay Packers.

                        Today we can all, and through it all , celebrate !

                        As Packer fans we can also celebrate PackerRats. The success of this forum and the huge part that PackerRats means to OUR lives.

                        I hope all here will agree with me. That we can all make a more concerted effort to do better as Packer fans and act together as 'the TEAM' we deserve to be. I love this forum. I respect it as a privalege that enhances my life. I am forever indebted to those here tht make PackerRats possible.

                        Not just OUR owner (s) but every PackerRat.

                        I see a fellow Canuck like Upnorth come onto our forum and enjoy seeing his efforts to contribute positively. and enjoy his new Packer HOME. That's my primary goal as a member here. To promote good will at Packerrats. For us to try better to get along; to respect a common fact:

                        We're all very fortunate Packer fans. PLEASE. Let's ALL respect and demonstate that to one another.

                        PackerRats ! and 'the Green Bay Packers'.

                        GO PACKERS !!
                        ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                        ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                        ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                        ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                        • #13
                          I think Kiper had some conclusions and needed to come up with a story.

                          What he did know was that the Packers were the Super Bowl champions and they rarely made free agency moves. Which meant that their strength really was draft and develop. Then he looked at the Packers draft record and noticed they drafted a lot of players and usually had a couple undrafted free agents make the team.

                          So Kiper asks himself, "How could this be? Especially Aaron Rodgers who had this horrible delivery I railed on six years ago? Ah ha! Green Bay must've brought a 'quarterback expert' in to teach him! I'll write that!" Except, that's not what happened.

                          If Kiper did any research at all, he would have found out that McCarthy said they would not focus on Rodgers' mechanics, that they'd let it come down naturally. And only recently Rodgers said that he went and worked on it like crazy on his own. Let me repeat that: on his own. Somehow, "on his own" became "the Green Bay Packers brought in a quarterback expert to reengineer his mechanics." I don't get that logic jump.

                          So while Kiper hits his points that the Packers are really good at drafting and developing, he's swinging blindly. I don't think it's a good article at all. Just fluff with some good conclusions.
                          No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                          • #14
                            You're kind of splitting hairs there smidge. Naturally it takes a work ethic, heart, determination and talent to get to that level. All multi million dollar jobs do. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldnt fix guys like Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich et al for instance. Seems the packers create the right environment, instruction, locker room etc for these guys to reach that potential.
                            Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                            • #15
                              If you're saying that McCarthy and Clements have not been instrumental in developing Rodgers into the player he's become, I disagree wholeheartedly Smidgeon. Obviously it had to come from within him as well, but McCarthy and Clements are the best in the business at training and developing QB's. The Packers organization has openly identified itself as a draft and develop team and they have the results that prove out their pretty unique ability to do just that.

                              You have to remember that most of the readers of this national piece don't have much perspective on the Packers. There's nothing wrong whatsoever at looking at results and analyzing how and why they came about. Kiper did a find job of that here IMO.

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