Spoiled and Negative

[Fritz]

I saw a headline in the GBPG by Vandermeuse that was along the lines of "7 - 0 Start Means Nothing if Packers Don't Win Championship."

Really? Nothing at all? Going 0 - 7, 1 - 6, being, say, the Minnesota Vikings or the Miami Dolphins would be just as good as going 7 - 0 and not winning the championship? Really?

Are we that whiny and spoiled? Has it come to that?

I am so sick of bitchy, whiny fans - 70% of whom probably give a half-assed effort in their own lives, their own jobs, their own marriages, their own parenting - who bitch that it's not good enough if they don't win it all.

Okay, we want to have them win it all. I do. But can we at least appreciate what's been done so far, and not dismiss it out of hand?

[MJZiggy]

We aren't. The press on the other hand are so desperate for something to write about that they're willing to pull the shit right out of their asses. The fact that I look at their play and can still see areas that need improvement despite the record, does NOT mean I don't appreciate the record. I love the gutty performances this team has produced this season and last.

[channtheman]

I would be disappointed if we didn't win it all, but I in no way expect to. There are too many things that can happen to expect to win the Super Bowl, even if you do start 7-0. That is a ridiculous statement.

[Lurker64]

Well, strictly speaking, is anybody's record really meaningful after 7 weeks? Your record is, first and foremost, only relevant in one way: determining whether or not you get in the playoffs. Through seven weeks, nobody has clinched yet and nobody has been mathematically eliminated. The only other way your record really matters is in determining playoff seeding or draft order, and being a high seed in the playoffs doesn't guarantee you anything (c.f. 2010 Packers and Falcons), and having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee you anything (c.f. the Raiders in the 2007 draft).

So is it possible for your record after week 7 actually "means something." I mean, the teams that that are more or less guaranteed to miss the playoffs at that point are in that position, less because of their schedule, and more because they are bad teams and wouldn't be willing to have the final 10 weeks you need anyway. The teams that are more or less guaranteed to make the playoffs at this point are in that position mostly because they're good teams, and they're going to win a bunch of games down the stretch because of how good they are. The only thing a record really does at this point is help reveal which teams are good, and which teams are ungood.

[Joemailman]

I think what Vandermause is saying is that years from now people won't remember the 7-0 start very much if they don't win it all. I think he's speaking more from a historical perspective rather than what Packer fans are feeling this year. As he points out, who remembers that the Colts started 7-0 in 2007? Here's the link to the story: http://packersnews.greenbaypressgaze...|lateststories

[gbpackfan]

OMG - Listen to the post game show on AM620 after the packers win. It will drive you crazy!!!! Caller after caller say the same damn thing...."Well, we won but......" And that is always followed by a negative tyraid about the Packers. Most fans aren't happy unless they can rip apart their team. It must be human nature. I hate it.

[TravisWilliams23]

7-0 is a tremendous accomplishment for any team and in particular this Packer team.

I can't think of many, if any, team that could have lost an all-pro safety, in addition to the starters who have missed games due to injuries
and still had enough depth to win every game they've played so far. It speaks volumes to the organization from top to bottom.

The really scary thing is that this team hasn't played it's best football yet. The defense isn't playing at championship level yet and
even though the offense is carrying the team, they have room for improvement. Especially closing out opponents in the 2nd half of games.

Records really mean nothing if you can't win it all. Just ask the 18-1 Patriots. So yes, Vandermause is correct about people not remembering the 7-0 start but that's always been the case. Nothing new about that.

[channtheman]

OMG - Listen to the post game show on AM620 after the packers win. It will drive you crazy!!!! Caller after caller say the same damn thing...."Well, we won but......" And that is always followed by a negative tyraid about the Packers. Most fans aren't happy unless they can rip apart their team. It must be human nature. I hate it.

I'm going to have to disagree here. There is nothing wrong with hoping the Packers can improve and listing areas that you believe they can work on. Besides, how boring would it be if we all just said "Packers are GOD LIKE" and then one by one we agreed with each other and high fived?

[mraynrand]

I am so sick of bitchy, whiny fans

Stop bitching and whining about bitchy whiny fans. And for the record, I give at least 55% effort 55% of the time.

[Fritz]

Okay, I read the article again, and joe's right - it's more about historical perspective. It's not as negative as it first seemed.

I'se wrong.

[RashanGary]

There is some merit though.

When AR throws a TD pass, I get excited like I threw a TD pass. When Bishop makes a big hit, I feel adrenaline like I made a big hit. Winning the SB, it's the ultimate accomplishment. As a fan, I feel like I'm a part of it. But I never have to risk anything. I never have to try. I can sit and bitch and then when everything comes to fruition, I can celebrate like it's mine too.

I think you're darn right. There are a bunch of fans who have nothing going in their own damn lives and are afraid or too unmotivated to try. No knock on them, who can judge a man without walking a mile in his shoes?, but I'll bet there are quite a few of these fans and these are probably the ones who take all their bitching and moaning out on the Packers. Hey, it's better than looking in the mirror and owning it themselves.

There are ups, downs and all-arounds in football as well as life. Somewhere there is a line where you go from feeling the pain of the moment and moving on, to living in it's misery. Packer misery beats personnel misery. Misery isn't consciously chosen. It's a byproduct of other intents.

[Brandon494]

As a Packers fan I've been spoiled for sure having Farve and Rodgers being the starting QBs since I became a fan. I'm not a fan that's whines though if we win ugly unless it cost me a lost in fantasy.

[Deputy Nutz]

Honestly I think a lot of people in Wisconsin were pretty beatup last weekend with the Badgers losing a heartbreaker in Michigan, and the Brewers being knocked out of the Playoffs the weekend before. I think there was some expectations that the Packers were going to blow out the Vikings by 30 points. Packer fan loves Packer football, but very few of them watch other games in the NFL. The Packers defense isn't very good, but defense in the NFL isn't very good any more. For godsakes have you seen how bad Indy is? To lose by 50 plus is a complete embarassement, this is the NFL everyone is a professional and to lose by that much is ridiculous. You just have to wonder what would have happened to the Packers if over the past 20 something years if they lost Favre or Rodgers for any significant amount of time.

[gbpackfan]

I'm going to have to disagree here. There is nothing wrong with hoping the Packers can improve and listing areas that you believe they can work on. Besides, how boring would it be if we all just said "Packers are GOD LIKE" and then one by one we agreed with each other and high fived?

No one is saying there isn't room for improvement. But many want perfection each and every week. No longer satisfied with a win. Being a fan doesn't mean you rip apart your team after every WIN. There is a fine line between being constructive and being negative. Most fans, no matter what the sport, aren't happy unless they are bitching. Plain and simple.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Packer fan loves Packer football, but very few of them watch other games in the NFL.

If you are saying this in general about fans of all teams, then I can go with that. However, I've been around fans of other teams, and I've found that Packer fans generally are much more knowledgeable about other teams than fans of other teams (especially Viking fans). Most Viking fans have no idea whether guys like Josh Sitton or Desmond Bishop are any good, and most will talk about the bad year that Clay Matthews is having because he only has 3 sacks. Stuff like that drives me crazy.