Whats with the D?

[gbgary]

it's ok. ok is good enough with our o. maybe as the season goes on it'll get better as it did last year.

[Pugger]

I think we are missing Collins' leadership big time. Didn't he make all of the secondary calls? The kid taking his place is basically a rookie playing one handed (Burnett). We saw several instances yesterday when the guys looked confused out there. I hope Burnett will get better at this as the season progresses.

I also believe our pass rush is suffering because we relied on Neal taking Jenkins' place and MN hasn't been able to get on the field.

[pbmax]

Are we missing the talent from these guys? Or maybe leadership. Collins, Jenkins and Ill throw another name out there JUST from a leadership stand point- Barnett.

Except this D got better after he got hurt.

[pbmax]

I was thinking the Packers D might be suffering from the offense scoring quickly, from so far away and from scoring their own TDs, but the points per play don't help that argument. Last year it was .24 and this year its .34 points/play. In some way, I imagine a pick 6 helps you win, but puts the D on the field for more plays and thus makes the effort look far less dominating. But it doesn't seem to be the case over the course of the year.

Yards per play shows similar decline, last year 5.1, this year 6.2. Good news? 2011 offense yards per play is 6.7 and points per play is 5.5.

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i was gonna start this same thread. other than 3 int's, we looked absolutely pathetic on d yesterday

peprah is not on the same page as the cb's

tramon is almost worthless this year. if its because of the injury then he needs to sit and heal. him giving a 15 yard cushion on every play is sickening

i'm almost positive the clay was using HGH prior to this year and got off it because there was suppose to be testing. he's playing no where close to what he was the last two years. even when he's not double teamed he's not getting it done.

the other OLB is worthless

raji needs to move back to NT, he's not effective at all at DE. does he have a single sack or tackle for loss this year?

shields is invisible

woodson is really up and down this year. some huge plays, some horrible plays. lots of penalties. is he only a coverage CB now? where's the weak side cb blitz, why isn't he in the backfield breaking up plays?

christ, we damn near lost a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter. shit needs to be fixed, fast

[Pugger]

I contend Clay is getting hosed by the officials. He gets mauled and held on almost every stinkin' play and the refs only drop their yellow hankie when the offending act is obvious that the guy in the last row in the stadium sees it. I recall one replay where the Charger LT hit Clay in the face 3 times in one play!

There is no way in hell NOBODY on either side didn't hold anybody - except for the DBs for some reason. I can't recall a single game when not one O lineman - unless I missed it - was called for holding.

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I contend Clay is getting hosed by the officials. He gets mauled and held on almost every stinkin' play and the refs only drop their yellow hankie when the offending act is obvious that the guy in the last row in the stadium sees it. I recall one replay where the Charger LT hit Clay in the face 3 times in one play!

There is no way in hell NOBODY on either side didn't hold anybody - except for the DBs for some reason. I can't recall a single game when not one O lineman - unless I missed it - was called for holding.

yup i remember that replay too, and it's not like they were borderline hands to the face. those were as blatant and violent as it gets

[denverYooper]

i was gonna start this same thread. other than 3 int's, we looked absolutely pathetic on d yesterday

peprah is not on the same page as the cb's

tramon is almost worthless this year. if its because of the injury then he needs to sit and heal. him giving a 15 yard cushion on every play is sickening

i'm almost positive the clay was using HGH prior to this year and got off it because there was suppose to be testing. he's playing no where close to what he was the last two years. even when he's not double teamed he's not getting it done.

the other OLB is worthless

raji needs to move back to NT, he's not effective at all at DE. does he have a single sack or tackle for loss this year?

shields is invisible

woodson is really up and down this year. some huge plays, some horrible plays. lots of penalties. is he only a coverage CB now? where's the weak side cb blitz, why isn't he in the backfield breaking up plays?

christ, we damn near lost a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter. shit needs to be fixed, fast

Clay seems to be used in coverage a lot more often this year. It could be because Walden seems pretty awful in coverage and they don't have a choice, but I would guess that it tires Clay out a little more and takes away from his pass rush.

One thing I wonder about with Raji: how much are they asking him to rush and how often are they asking him to just hold up blockers? I actually think he's been playing a fair amount of NT.

Woodson has a reputation for being handsy, "old school" it's probably now called, and tends to get into a game or 2 where he gets flagged for doing what he does.

Shields was mostly invisible, wasn't he? I don't remember seeing him much but maybe that's good...

[Bossman641]

Here is another thing I wanted to mention. Capers obviously knows worlds more than me when it comes to running a defense, but some of his blitz calls I just don't get. He'll send corner blitzes from the far sideline that have almost no chance to get to the QB, especially on a wet field.

The whole defense is just sickening. I get furious watching them.

[denverYooper]

Here is another thing I wanted to mention. Capers obviously knows worlds more than me when it comes to running a defense, but some of his blitz calls I just don't get. He'll send corner blitzes from the far sideline that have almost no chance to get to the QB, especially on a wet field.

The whole defense is just sickening. I get furious watching them.

The long blitzes are confusing to me as well.

[sheepshead]

Except this D got better after he got hurt.

No, I was talking Nick Barnett. Nick Barnetts leadership.

[mmmdk]

No, I was talking Nick Barnett. Nick Barnetts leadership.

I don't think Nick Barnett will ever be "in the picture" when it comes to leadership!

[hoosier]

JSO had an article a few weeks ago in which the writer described Capers's scheme using two different pass rush modes for defensive linemen in the nickle. One mode is called "jet rush," which lets linemen get as much penetration as they can. The other wasn't given a name, but the two DL's responsibilities were a little different: they were not expected to collapse the pocket but to tie up blockers and supposedly create opportunities for blitzers. Obviously those opportunities are not materializing on a regular basis, but the implication was that Raji's decline in productivity can be attributed to Capers not using the jet mode as much this year as last.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/puttin-on-the-blitz-132669698.html

[gbgary]

I don't think Nick Barnett will ever be "in the picture" when it comes to leadership!

hehe

[pbmax]

No, I was talking Nick Barnett. Nick Barnetts leadership.

Just to be clear, I was talking about last year's defense as in, "Except this (Packer) D got better (in 2010) after he (Barnett) got hurt."

And I understood you meant leadership. But if we are to believe JSO, Hawk is a more calming influence in the huddle which allows the fellows to settle down before the next play and receive his signals clearly. This is why everyone maintained Hawk was worth his new contract.

But my main objection to tagging this to Barnett's departure is that Bishop is his replacement and he has played better than Barnett.